Quantcast

Author Topic: 20 year old with low T. Where do i go from here?!  (Read 4453 times)

jsm645

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 9
    • View Profile
20 year old with low T. Where do i go from here?!
« on: January 31, 2014, 05:59:29 am »
Hi guys,
20 years old, Severe ED, no morning wood for years, Brain fog, Lack of drive, slowly turning into a beta bitch checking in!

Had some blood work done and would love it if you guys had some advice on where to go now!
My diets not great but its certainly not low in fat or carbs (6 foot 2 194lb, store all weight on stomach). Been taking ZMA and Vit d on and off for a few months (not ideal i know). Had some pretty stressful years from 16-19 and erectile function has suffered for it.

I want to know if my symptoms are from fucked hormone levels or porn. Ive watched porn most days for the last 4 years but only for like 10 mins a day at a time (not one of those that wack off for hours on end). Could it be Stress = Porn = ED? Or do you think my blood work says otherwise?

First test back in 30th july 2013 (taken around 10am because of queues)
Serum testosterone: 14.7nmol (420ngdl)
Serum lh level: 2.7iu/l
Serum FSH level: 3.7iu/l
Serum Prolactin level: 197mlU/L

Serum free t4 level: 13.7pmol/l
Serum TSH level: 1.44mu/l

Now there are another 1000 other results on there that i dont think are relevant as they seem to be in range. Apart from these 2
Serum HDL cholesterol level: 1.09mmol/L (Range 1.2mmol/l >)
Serum Triglycerides level: 1.32mmol/L (Range 0.6-1.2mmol/L)
Total HDL ratio = 3.83 (which is noted as high on the sheet)


Now After seeing these perfectic testosterone levels i went back to the doc and asked for a more thorough look into my low T levels in which he said were fine but he'll do it for my peace of mind anyway and if they're all fine he'll send me to a sex counsellor lol? Fucking idiot although fair play to him he did what i asked and tested: Total T again, Free T, Cortisol, SHGB, Estradiol and i asked for Vit D which he put down but the labs did't do it anyway.

Anyway these results were taken on 3rd January 2014 at 9am
Serum testosterone: 17.1nmol/L (495ngdl) (Range 9.6-28.8nmol)
Free tesosterone: 76.7        (Range 34-106)
Serum Oestradiol: 87pmol/L        (I believe the range might be 160<)
SHGB: 22.3nmol/L              (Range 15-48nmol)
Serum Cortisol: 532nmol/L (Wiki range 140-700nmol/L) Although 700 sounds pretty high dont ya think?


What do you guys think? Test seems very low to me for a 20 year old and cortisol high. Also what do you think about cholesterol and Trigs? Been rebooting from porn for nearly a 100 days now with only slight improvements in brain fog but no signs of erectile function coming back.
Stacked Tribulus and DAA together for a few weeks and i noticed a huge surge in confidence and some signs of life down there for about 2 or 3 days then things turned to normal after that. This was definitely not placebo as my cognition, wittyness, erection capabalities came back at the same time after roughly 2 weeks of use and only lasted 2 or 3 days!!! Wish i could have felt like that forever!



Sorry for the long whinded post!!

jsm645

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 9
    • View Profile
Re: 20 year old with low T. Where do i go from here?!
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2014, 09:13:52 am »
Bump -Sorry if this is the wrong thread. Wasn't sure on this one or the erection section!

Peak Testosterone Forum

Re: 20 year old with low T. Where do i go from here?!
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2014, 09:13:52 am »


PeakT

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 38447
    • View Profile
    • Peak Testosterone
Re: 20 year old with low T. Where do i go from here?!
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2014, 10:06:34 am »
Hmmm.  Well, I've got to be honest:  I'm not seeing any huge red flags there, except for those classic low T symptoms.  Maybe one of the other guys will notice something.

Here is the thing:  your HDL and triglycerides aren't that bad.  Sure, it would be good if you improved them, but, assuming I did the conversions right to U.S. units, they're not that out of line. 

Your TSH looks fine, so I doubt that's it, although you should scan through this post as it's possible to be hypothyroid with normal TSH:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/testosterone_thyroid.aspx

Your cortisol is high but not out of range. 

Poor lipids and a little elevated cortisol won't usually take out a young guy's erections from all I've seen.  For this reason, I think your issue is probably testosterone.  I have seen young guys quite miserable in the 400's and complaining of low T symptoms.  On the other hand, there are many guys in the 400's that are doing just fine.  There are even guys in the 300's doing fine.  So it's very individual. 

So I'm sorry, but you're one of those true grey area guys.  You need to really investigate this, though, because a young guy should not be having erectile difficulties.

How's the libido?

One last thing:  I think one huge mistake of the reboot movement is that they do not screen guys who are not getting morning erections.  If you are not getting morning erections, you need to make sure that you get an erections somehow.  The penis has to be oxygenated - that's the primary purpose of those morning erections - or you will end up with even worse issues. 

Also, I highly doubt that 10 minutes / day is going to cause you dopamine issues per the reboot movement.  A healthy young male has an almost infinite capacity for that sort of thing imo.  Any addiction is not good, but 10 minutes per day is anything but that imo...
« Last Edit: January 31, 2014, 10:12:51 am by PeakT »
THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE BOOK ON TRT/TESTOSTERONE:
https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Versus-Testosterone-Therapy-Myer/dp/1523210532/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499116128&sr=8-1&keywords=natural+versus+testosterone+therapy
And check out my New Peak Testosterone Program: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/peak_testosterone_program.aspx
If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements.  And low testosterone is a medical condition.

jsm645

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 9
    • View Profile
Re: 20 year old with low T. Where do i go from here?!
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2014, 10:22:11 am »
Cheers PeakT i cannot tell you how much i appreciate your reply. Good to have advice off someone who actually knows what they're talking about (been lingering on this site for months and seen your posts).

To make things clear i am completely an utterly impotent. I don't remember the last time i've even had life down there in the mornings. I only found out in the last 6 months or so that most guys get morning wood! If i knew this i would have addressed the problems years ago!

Like i said my first result was 420 and the next was 495. I have seen some people on here get in the mid 400 range on one test then 300s in the next! It worries me that i may be fluctuating in the 300s most of the time as my symptoms are seriously bad.

I try and work out and go for runs but i literally have no energy to do anything. Going to work takes maximum effort and i feel like a zombie with no purpose. Like i said i've supplemented DAA and trib together and it gave me 2 or 3 days of my old self. Funny, Quick witted, driven and also even confrontational when needs be.

I don't know if you buy into the whole no porn thing PeakT but there are plenty of people do. Im on the fence at the moment. I can't believe that daily 10 minute sessions could leave me like this, fair enough if i spent hours on end searching videos but it was just 10 minutes a day. Who knows, all i know is that something has left me in a brain foggy zombie mess! I've had social anxiety for the past 3 or 4 years along with these symptoms which i never had untill around 16. Anything that increases dopamine completely get rid of my symptoms (apart from ED).

I will check out your thyroid link bro, thanks again for your help!

Peak Testosterone Forum

Re: 20 year old with low T. Where do i go from here?!
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2014, 10:22:11 am »


jsm645

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 9
    • View Profile
Re: 20 year old with low T. Where do i go from here?!
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2014, 10:29:01 am »
"How's the libido?

One last thing:  I think one huge mistake of the reboot movement is that they do not screen guys who are not getting morning erections.  If you are not getting morning erections, you need to make sure that you get an erections somehow.  The penis has to be oxygenated - that's the primary purpose of those morning erections - or you will end up with even worse issues. 

Also, I highly doubt that 10 minutes / day is going to cause you dopamine issues per the reboot movement.  A healthy young male has an almost infinite capacity for that sort of thing imo.  Any addiction is not good, but 10 minutes per day is anything but that imo..."

Only just seen this part of the post for some reason. Yeah i have to agree with you there bud the morning erections are what worry me more then anything. Ive been on and off in this reboot for over a year. I have gone over a 100 days without masturbation and still no morning wood. Have to add though that i still get the urge to have sex it's just nothing works down there. On yourbrainonporn.com they would claim this is just a craving and not a true animalistic desire as i would get an erection, so who knows!

What do you advice next PeakT? I want to go back to the doctors for another T test but i can see myself being laughed back out the doctors room with another mid 400 level. This really does suck i wish i was just in the 200 range and could get treatment.

Thanks again man

PeakT

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 38447
    • View Profile
    • Peak Testosterone
Re: 20 year old with low T. Where do i go from here?!
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2014, 12:29:18 pm »
Cheers PeakT i cannot tell you how much i appreciate your reply. Good to have advice off someone who actually knows what they're talking about (been lingering on this site for months and seen your posts).

To make things clear i am completely an utterly impotent. I don't remember the last time i've even had life down there in the mornings. I only found out in the last 6 months or so that most guys get morning wood! If i knew this i would have addressed the problems years ago!

Like i said my first result was 420 and the next was 495. I have seen some people on here get in the mid 400 range on one test then 300s in the next! It worries me that i may be fluctuating in the 300s most of the time as my symptoms are seriously bad.

I try and work out and go for runs but i literally have no energy to do anything. Going to work takes maximum effort and i feel like a zombie with no purpose. Like i said i've supplemented DAA and trib together and it gave me 2 or 3 days of my old self. Funny, Quick witted, driven and also even confrontational when needs be.

I don't know if you buy into the whole no porn thing PeakT but there are plenty of people do. Im on the fence at the moment. I can't believe that daily 10 minute sessions could leave me like this, fair enough if i spent hours on end searching videos but it was just 10 minutes a day. Who knows, all i know is that something has left me in a brain foggy zombie mess! I've had social anxiety for the past 3 or 4 years along with these symptoms which i never had untill around 16. Anything that increases dopamine completely get rid of my symptoms (apart from ED).

I will check out your thyroid link bro, thanks again for your help!

Well, I was very similar:  never had a morning erection as far as I remember until I got on cypionate in my early 50's!

I do believe the reboot thing, but believe it is overstated.  I also think that many of the guy that are doing a reboot - and I've seen reports of this - have low testosterone.  And, in addition, I believe that part of the issue is that guys who get truly addicted to it are staying up late with a bright computer screen shining into their face.  Both of these will results in disturbed sleep and sleep deprivation which hammers dopamine (and a 100 other things). 

So I do believe in the whole thing, but I don't think are being holistic often.  And, as I stated above, I think telling a guy who is not getting morning erections to hold off on getting daytime erections is horrible advice and will acclerate venous leak.  That's just my opinion.

Thanks for the encouragement.  Always check anything on the forum or site, though, against what a good doc says.  (Yeah, I know the trick often is to find a good doc when it comes to men's health issues...)
THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE BOOK ON TRT/TESTOSTERONE:
https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Versus-Testosterone-Therapy-Myer/dp/1523210532/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499116128&sr=8-1&keywords=natural+versus+testosterone+therapy
And check out my New Peak Testosterone Program: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/peak_testosterone_program.aspx
If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements.  And low testosterone is a medical condition.

jsm645

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 9
    • View Profile
Re: 20 year old with low T. Where do i go from here?!
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2014, 08:55:16 am »
Cheers PeakT i cannot tell you how much i appreciate your reply. Good to have advice off someone who actually knows what they're talking about (been lingering on this site for months and seen your posts).

To make things clear i am completely an utterly impotent. I don't remember the last time i've even had life down there in the mornings. I only found out in the last 6 months or so that most guys get morning wood! If i knew this i would have addressed the problems years ago!

Like i said my first result was 420 and the next was 495. I have seen some people on here get in the mid 400 range on one test then 300s in the next! It worries me that i may be fluctuating in the 300s most of the time as my symptoms are seriously bad.

I try and work out and go for runs but i literally have no energy to do anything. Going to work takes maximum effort and i feel like a zombie with no purpose. Like i said i've supplemented DAA and trib together and it gave me 2 or 3 days of my old self. Funny, Quick witted, driven and also even confrontational when needs be.

I don't know if you buy into the whole no porn thing PeakT but there are plenty of people do. Im on the fence at the moment. I can't believe that daily 10 minute sessions could leave me like this, fair enough if i spent hours on end searching videos but it was just 10 minutes a day. Who knows, all i know is that something has left me in a brain foggy zombie mess! I've had social anxiety for the past 3 or 4 years along with these symptoms which i never had untill around 16. Anything that increases dopamine completely get rid of my symptoms (apart from ED).

I will check out your thyroid link bro, thanks again for your help!

Well, I was very similar:  never had a morning erection as far as I remember until I got on cypionate in my early 50's!

I do believe the reboot thing, but believe it is overstated.  I also think that many of the guy that are doing a reboot - and I've seen reports of this - have low testosterone.  And, in addition, I believe that part of the issue is that guys who get truly addicted to it are staying up late with a bright computer screen shining into their face.  Both of these will results in disturbed sleep and sleep deprivation which hammers dopamine (and a 100 other things). 

So I do believe in the whole thing, but I don't think are being holistic often.  And, as I stated above, I think telling a guy who is not getting morning erections to hold off on getting daytime erections is horrible advice and will acclerate venous leak.  That's just my opinion.

Thanks for the encouragement.  Always check anything on the forum or site, though, against what a good doc says.  (Yeah, I know the trick often is to find a good doc when it comes to men's health issues...)


Thanks again for your advice peakT!

Wow you never had morning erections untill TRT in your 50's!! Does this mean you had low T symptoms all your life? If so what were they? Sorry to intrude it's just I'm at a point now where i'm thinking about throwing caution to the wind and getting treatment. I've been seriously depressed for 4 years because of this lack of drive, social anxiety, brain fog, ED, procrastination etc. I know it sounds like a lazy mans excuse but i knew my test was low even before the results came in, this just comfirmed what i already knew.

I have a good job, girlfriend, great and helpful family, good friends that i know longer have the drive to go and see.

All of this is slowly slipping away if i don't sort this out soon.

Like always i appreciate your replies. What a great site you have here!

PeakT

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 38447
    • View Profile
    • Peak Testosterone
Re: 20 year old with low T. Where do i go from here?!
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2014, 11:17:28 am »
Thx!  Yeah, its true. 

And been there so I can relate to a lot if what u e saying.
THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE BOOK ON TRT/TESTOSTERONE:
https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Versus-Testosterone-Therapy-Myer/dp/1523210532/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499116128&sr=8-1&keywords=natural+versus+testosterone+therapy
And check out my New Peak Testosterone Program: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/peak_testosterone_program.aspx
If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements.  And low testosterone is a medical condition.

spiderman

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 277
    • View Profile
Re: 20 year old with low T. Where do i go from here?!
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2014, 08:23:17 pm »
Hey JS645...just a couple of things

10 mins of porn at age 16 onwards is pretty standard practice if  are you not getting the real deal so forget about that being the problem....and actually "rebooting" in your case may be doing you more harm than good because you need good healthy blood flowing down there...you need to be having erections not only to help healing but to actually give you a small T boost whenever you have one.

Your T is way low for your age as PT mentioned... I would stop taking  the DAA and trib as they actually have a pretty bad rep as T boosters..it is however very important to maintain some life down there.I would personally take Citrulline and korean ginseng and see how you do with that.

It is possible that T in the 400's is causing you the severe erection problems, as acceptable T levels for erections seem to vary wildly for each individual on here ...

davie12

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 763
    • View Profile
Re: 20 year old with low T. Where do i go from here?!
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2014, 09:18:30 pm »
Also, when you take natural boosters such as Tribulus, they are supposed to be cycled as they are notorious for losing effectiveness after a couple of days. I have read numerous threads where others have reported the same experience...ie. great results the first couple of days followed a complete return to baseline symptoms.
Recovering from adrenal fatigue through Paleo diet+exercise+vitamins/supplements; formerly used HCG & Clomid at various dosages

jsm645

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 9
    • View Profile
Re: 20 year old with low T. Where do i go from here?!
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2014, 12:46:58 pm »
Hey guys cheers for the replies.
Wish i could find more posts on people with ED in the 400 range.
I never stayed on trib and DAA for more then 3 weeks as it just stops working anyway.
Really hung up on the whole porn vs hormone thing.
10mins every single day for like 4 years (man that sounds pathetic) but its true.

Lord just give me morning wood and i will be a happy man

PeakT

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 38447
    • View Profile
    • Peak Testosterone
Re: 20 year old with low T. Where do i go from here?!
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2014, 03:11:29 pm »
Hey guys cheers for the replies.
Wish i could find more posts on people with ED in the 400 range.
I never stayed on trib and DAA for more then 3 weeks as it just stops working anyway.
Really hung up on the whole porn vs hormone thing.
10mins every single day for like 4 years (man that sounds pathetic) but its true.

Lord just give me morning wood and i will be a happy man

Someone just posted - can't remember who but maybe Davie - that he didn't get morning erections back until he hit 500.  For me it's around 600 and I have to have decent nitric oxide status...
THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE BOOK ON TRT/TESTOSTERONE:
https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Versus-Testosterone-Therapy-Myer/dp/1523210532/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499116128&sr=8-1&keywords=natural+versus+testosterone+therapy
And check out my New Peak Testosterone Program: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/peak_testosterone_program.aspx
If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements.  And low testosterone is a medical condition.

jsm645

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 9
    • View Profile
Re: 20 year old with low T. Where do i go from here?!
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2014, 03:41:38 pm »
Really! Do you know if that was natural or taking meds?

PeakT

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 38447
    • View Profile
    • Peak Testosterone
Re: 20 year old with low T. Where do i go from here?!
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2014, 03:57:10 pm »
Really! Do you know if that was natural or taking meds?

I think HCG...

THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE BOOK ON TRT/TESTOSTERONE:
https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Versus-Testosterone-Therapy-Myer/dp/1523210532/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499116128&sr=8-1&keywords=natural+versus+testosterone+therapy
And check out my New Peak Testosterone Program: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/peak_testosterone_program.aspx
If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements.  And low testosterone is a medical condition.

Anthony

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 68
    • View Profile
Re: 20 year old with low T. Where do i go from here?!
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2019, 11:48:20 pm »
"Recovering"slowly from low T (lowest was 232 and now at 413). Have you been able to reach higher T? If so, how?
You have to question even your deepest convictions from time to time.

Peak Testosterone Forum

Re: 20 year old with low T. Where do i go from here?!
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2019, 11:48:20 pm »