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Steve78

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Finally scored some enclomiphene!
« on: April 28, 2019, 04:37:52 pm »
? For cutaneous really.

I知 on 30 mg test cyp SQ every 3 days.  My TT is around 550 on that.

I want to add enclomiphene to see if I can increase my LH, and avoid hcg (want my testes working in some fashion).

My question is, should I drop my test cyp in half to 15 mg every 3 days when I add the enclomiphene?

Thanks

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Re: Finally scored some enclomiphene!
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2019, 04:55:06 pm »
? For cutaneous really.

I知 on 30 mg test cyp SQ every 3 days.  My TT is around 550 on that.

I want to add enclomiphene to see if I can increase my LH, and avoid hcg (want my testes working in some fashion).

My question is, should I drop my test cyp in half to 15 mg every 3 days when I add the enclomiphene?

Thanks

I wish I knew more to answer, but HRT or Cat could probably answer that question better than I can. 

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Re: Finally scored some enclomiphene!
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2019, 06:14:19 pm »
You probably don't need to go lower on the T cypionate, at least for starters. Some of the anecdotal reports have actually involved higher TRT dosing. I expect the estradiol level is more important in affecting how well this works.
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Age: 57, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 158 lbs
Protocol: 18 mg T enanthate subQ qod, 250 IU hCG subQ qod, 70 mcg anastrozole qod, 6.25 mg DHEA orally bid
7-12/2018 test results: TT: 800 ng/dL, E2: 31 pg/mL LC/MS-MS, DHEA-S: 264 ug/dL (49-344)祐HBG ~30 nmol/L

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Re: Finally scored some enclomiphene!
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2019, 09:14:06 pm »
You probably don't need to go lower on the T cypionate, at least for starters. Some of the anecdotal reports have actually involved higher TRT dosing. I expect the estradiol level is more important in affecting how well this works.
Hi, Cat is this guy actually trying to get his balls working and be on TRT? I did not think that was possible.
That could only possibly work if he was secondary right? I mean we'd all be doing this if it was possible T from a bottle just ain't the same as T from your balls.

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Re: Finally scored some enclomiphene!
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2019, 09:51:39 pm »
I have long supported the idea that it should be possible to use clomid in conjunction with exogenous T however if you have managed to get genuine Enclomiphene the possibility is that you would not need to use any external T to raise your T LH or FSH and have few to none of the well documented negative sides of clomid.
Age:57, Height 6' 3" weight 92.5KG
2014 Androderm Patches
2014-2016 Oral Andriol 160mg Daily
June 2016 Clomid/Serophene 12.5mg EOD
September 2016 no TRT all natural and supplements for the time being
February 2017 Testosterone cream 100mg daily

Sept 2016
Testosterone   8.2 nmol/l   9-38
Free Testosterone   239 pmol/l   L   250-800
SHBG:  14    nmol/L   9-60
Free Androgen index   586   >400
Oestradiol    112   pmol/L    <190
LH    2.6 IU/L Adult male   2 - 9 IU/L
FSH  1.4 IU/L Adult male L2 - 12 IU/L

22 November
T 6.8  nmol/L ( 9-38 ) L

March 2017
Testosterone:   45.0  nmol/L ( 9-38 ) H ( 1,323 ng/dl )
Free Testosterone:   1512  pmol/L ( 250-800 ) H
SHBG:   17  nmol/L ( 9-60 )
Plasma IGF-1:   227 ug/L ( 55-198 ) H
Plasma cortisol:   434 nmol/L ( 0600-1000 hrs 170-500 nmol/L )
HbA1c:   36 mmol/mol ( 20-40 )
LH:   <0.1 IU/L
FSH:   0.1 IU/L
DHT Plasma Dihydrotestosterone:   7455   pmol/L ( 223 ng/dl ) 

Reference Range Adult males  1000-6000 pmol/L

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Re: Finally scored some enclomiphene!
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2019, 05:08:52 am »
You probably don't need to go lower on the T cypionate, at least for starters. Some of the anecdotal reports have actually involved higher TRT dosing. I expect the estradiol level is more important in affecting how well this works.
Hi, Cat is this guy actually trying to get his balls working and be on TRT? I did not think that was possible.
That could only possibly work if he was secondary right? I mean we'd all be doing this if it was possible T from a bottle just ain't the same as T from your balls.

It is possible. It seems that in some cases enclomiphene is strong enough to overcome the suppression of TRT and stimulate some LH/FSH production. In the case of secondary guys, this would also yield a little endogenous testosterone. The idea is to make hCG unnecessary, giving you the benefits of TRT without the problems that come from being shut down. How often this actually works is an open question. A good thread on this at EM: https://www.excelmale.com/forum/threads/clomid-testosterone-why-they-dont-work-together-by-mike-gaiso.9421/
I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
Age: 57, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 158 lbs
Protocol: 18 mg T enanthate subQ qod, 250 IU hCG subQ qod, 70 mcg anastrozole qod, 6.25 mg DHEA orally bid
7-12/2018 test results: TT: 800 ng/dL, E2: 31 pg/mL LC/MS-MS, DHEA-S: 264 ug/dL (49-344)祐HBG ~30 nmol/L

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Re: Finally scored some enclomiphene!
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2019, 07:13:01 am »
Thanks Cat!

I知 going to drop my trt in half anyway, take 25 mg enclomiphene (from the pharmacy you mentioned) and check labs in 4 weeks and post results.   

Thanks again for the idea

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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2019, 01:04:09 pm »
Thanks Cat!

I知 going to drop my trt in half anyway, take 25 mg enclomiphene (from the pharmacy you mentioned) and check labs in 4 weeks and post results.   

Thanks again for the idea

I'll be interested in your results. Another uncertainty is how long it takes to get some production of LH and FSH.
I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
Age: 57, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 158 lbs
Protocol: 18 mg T enanthate subQ qod, 250 IU hCG subQ qod, 70 mcg anastrozole qod, 6.25 mg DHEA orally bid
7-12/2018 test results: TT: 800 ng/dL, E2: 31 pg/mL LC/MS-MS, DHEA-S: 264 ug/dL (49-344)祐HBG ~30 nmol/L

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Re: Finally scored some enclomiphene!
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2019, 02:10:32 pm »
Curious how you do as well. It messed with my sex life, and this seems to be common. I haven't had blood tests since trying it, though.

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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2019, 03:15:30 pm »
Steve78, congrats on getting ahold of the enclomiphene. For those of us with a similar interest:

1. Were you able to get if from Tailor Made Compounding Pharmacy?

2. Who were you able to get to write the prescription? (Defy Medical seems hesitant at this point)

3. What is the cost and quantity (I am assuming 25mg tabs)?

4. Are you going to do 25mg daily, and if not, what interval?

5. Thanks for being the test pilot and being willing to share helpful info.

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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2019, 03:51:40 pm »
On the point Cataceous brought up regarding uncertain time period before generation of LH/FSH, would not size increase of testicles give a physical indication of restarting?

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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2019, 05:48:01 am »
Steve78, congrats on getting ahold of the enclomiphene. For those of us with a similar interest:

1. Were you able to get if from Tailor Made Compounding Pharmacy?

2. Who were you able to get to write the prescription? (Defy Medical seems hesitant at this point)

3. What is the cost and quantity (I am assuming 25mg tabs)?

4. Are you going to do 25mg daily, and if not, what interval?

5. Thanks for being the test pilot and being willing to share helpful info.

Yes, tailor made, 25 mg po daily. Cost was about 130 I believe for 90 tabs including shipping.  Got my old trt doc to write it.   He wrote clomid before and I brought him the literature on enclomiphene.  The reason why my restarts with clomid didn稚 work was because of fatigue and intense brain fog which made daily living a pain.  I知 hoping enclomiphene bumps my LH without the feeling like crap feeling.

Going to take 25 a day.

My question for cat is, despite failing 9 restarts, should I stop my trt and take the enclomiphene and see what happens?    (I知 obsessed with getting natural test back again even though I never tested above 388 in my life, which was when I was 29, now I知 40)... 

Or stick with trt dose, maybe lower it and add the enclomiphene for maybe 4-6 weeks and recheck labs?

Thanks guys!
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2019, 07:23:43 am »
On the point Cataceous brought up regarding uncertain time period before generation of LH/FSH, would not size increase of testicles give a physical indication of restarting?

It could give some idea, though it may not be the most reliable method. Better is to simply measure LH and FSH. Only $12 each through Defy, or $40 at LEF.
I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
Age: 57, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 158 lbs
Protocol: 18 mg T enanthate subQ qod, 250 IU hCG subQ qod, 70 mcg anastrozole qod, 6.25 mg DHEA orally bid
7-12/2018 test results: TT: 800 ng/dL, E2: 31 pg/mL LC/MS-MS, DHEA-S: 264 ug/dL (49-344)祐HBG ~30 nmol/L

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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2019, 07:43:12 am »
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My question for cat is, despite failing 9 restarts, should I stop my trt and take the enclomiphene and see what happens?    (I知 obsessed with getting natural test back again even though I never tested above 388 in my life, which was when I was 29, now I知 40)... 

Or stick with trt dose, maybe lower it and add the enclomiphene for maybe 4-6 weeks and recheck labs?
...

For me personally it would be a choice between lowering the TRT dose or not; I wouldn't bother with a no-TRT restart attempt. But you're younger, so maybe it's more about how patient you are. Since you're "obsessed with getting natural test back again" then maybe you should try it, even if it might not work so well. You can always make the transition from there, adding low-dose and then normal-dose TRT.
I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
Age: 57, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 158 lbs
Protocol: 18 mg T enanthate subQ qod, 250 IU hCG subQ qod, 70 mcg anastrozole qod, 6.25 mg DHEA orally bid
7-12/2018 test results: TT: 800 ng/dL, E2: 31 pg/mL LC/MS-MS, DHEA-S: 264 ug/dL (49-344)祐HBG ~30 nmol/L

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Re: Finally scored some enclomiphene!
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2019, 07:59:58 am »
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My question for cat is, despite failing 9 restarts, should I stop my trt and take the enclomiphene and see what happens?    (I知 obsessed with getting natural test back again even though I never tested above 388 in my life, which was when I was 29, now I知 40)... 

Or stick with trt dose, maybe lower it and add the enclomiphene for maybe 4-6 weeks and recheck labs?
...

For me personally it would be a choice between lowering the TRT dose or not; I wouldn't bother with a no-TRT restart attempt. But you're younger, so maybe it's more about how patient you are. Since you're "obsessed with getting natural test back again" then maybe you should try it, even if it might not work so well. You can always make the transition from there, adding low-dose and then normal-dose TRT.

Ok, first I値l do trt plus enclomiphene and check labs.  Then after, I値l try to do a month of Just enclomiphene

So I値l start this week, trt plus enclomiphene 25 mg a day and check labs in a month.  Will keep y誕ll posted...

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