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Re: Doc prescribed very high dose of HCG (ovitrelle)
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2020, 11:24:17 am »
To get a rough idea of the suppressive potential of mesterolone: the absorption efficiency is supposed to be about 3%. So assume you're getting 1.5 mg. This possibly may be compared to natural testosterone production of 3-9 mg daily. Or, about 10% of testosterone is converted to DHT, so that's roughly 0.5-1 mg daily.
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Age: 59, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 154 lbs
Protocol: 2.4 mg T propionate subQ qd, 3.2 mg T enanthate qd, 20 mcg GnRH subQ 5.25x/d, 6.25 mg DHEA bid, 12.5 mg enclomiphene qod
Approximate levels (peak): TT: 700 ng/dL, E2: 30 pg/mL, DHEA-S: 300 ug/dL, SHBG: 30 nMol/L

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Re: Doc prescribed very high dose of HCG (ovitrelle)
« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2020, 03:36:29 pm »
So not much suppression then.. Well that's good news.. If it keeps working like it does now I am good to go. Thanks a lot

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Re: Doc prescribed very high dose of HCG (ovitrelle)
« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2020, 03:36:29 pm »


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Re: Doc prescribed very high dose of HCG (ovitrelle)
« Reply #47 on: September 08, 2020, 03:05:33 pm »
I don't have much to add, but I was prescribed 3,900 IUs of hCG for about 10 years.  This was from a doc who did a fellowship in male hypogonadal disorders at an Ivy League school.  I raise this point b/c even the best trained (and well intentioned docs) often use fertility protocols that are outdated. 

Cataceous:  You mentioned that you take gnrh injection.  I didn't even know that was an option.  Any particular brand?   

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« Reply #48 on: September 08, 2020, 06:21:13 pm »
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Cataceous:  You mentioned that you take gnrh injection.  I didn't even know that was an option.  Any particular brand?   

In fact a number of clinics are trying to palm off gonadorelin (GnRH) as an alternative to hCG now that hCG is becoming harder to get. But I'm skeptical because I don't think their protocols are viable. I describe my use of GnRH here. Possible sources are discussed later in the thread.
I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
Age: 59, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 154 lbs
Protocol: 2.4 mg T propionate subQ qd, 3.2 mg T enanthate qd, 20 mcg GnRH subQ 5.25x/d, 6.25 mg DHEA bid, 12.5 mg enclomiphene qod
Approximate levels (peak): TT: 700 ng/dL, E2: 30 pg/mL, DHEA-S: 300 ug/dL, SHBG: 30 nMol/L

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Re: Doc prescribed very high dose of HCG (ovitrelle)
« Reply #48 on: September 08, 2020, 06:21:13 pm »


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Re: Doc prescribed very high dose of HCG (ovitrelle)
« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2020, 12:11:50 pm »
I am going to try citrulline along with 5mg daily cialis since I read that the reason low t causes Ed is that you have lower nitric oxide and that's why viagra or cialis don't work that well with low t. Do you think there's any truth to that. And although my blood pressure is normal is it dangerous mixing cialis and citrulline.. Thanks in advance

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Re: Doc prescribed very high dose of HCG (ovitrelle)
« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2020, 07:11:28 pm »
I'm not well-versed on nitric oxide, but this article does say that it is linked with testosterone, with some mutual influence, at least in natural conditions.
I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
Age: 59, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 154 lbs
Protocol: 2.4 mg T propionate subQ qd, 3.2 mg T enanthate qd, 20 mcg GnRH subQ 5.25x/d, 6.25 mg DHEA bid, 12.5 mg enclomiphene qod
Approximate levels (peak): TT: 700 ng/dL, E2: 30 pg/mL, DHEA-S: 300 ug/dL, SHBG: 30 nMol/L

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Re: Doc prescribed very high dose of HCG (ovitrelle)
« Reply #51 on: November 11, 2020, 02:41:21 pm »
I could really use your opinion once more.. I am trying yet another pct after going to another doctor. He suggested 2 weeks of hcg and then another 2 weeks of clomid 25mg Ed and Nolva 10mg Ed along with daa, maca, vit d3 5000iu. I ll skip the hcg cause I don't think it's necessary and it shut me down last time..

First of all the doc said that Nolva isn't enough for a kick start and nowhere near as sufficient as clomid.. Do you agree with that? Is clomid really better than nolva? Second he said that proviron which I haven't used in 2 months will hinder the attempt but with both serms and especially clomid my shbg will rise don't you think?

 I have it on hand but I ll wait for your response. Can clomid really make the difference? It is after all the only medication that restored me after my first cycle but I was avoiding it due to side effects it gave me.

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Re: Doc prescribed very high dose of HCG (ovitrelle)
« Reply #52 on: November 11, 2020, 06:28:05 pm »
Dr. Saya has stated that Clomid—clomiphene—is more effective than Nolvadex—tamoxifen—for HPTA stimulation. I'll go a step further and say that the enclomiphene component of clomiphene is even better by itself. The zuclomiphene component of clomiphene is estrogenic and works against HPTA activation. I've been using enclomiphene for most of the year with no negative effects. I consider it the drug of choice for this sort of thing. Use Clomid if you have to, but not if you can get a doctor to write a prescription for enclomiphene.

Proviron, aka mesterolone, is somewhat suppressive. It causes negative feedback at the hypothalamus. I'd avoid it if possible. It's true that Clomid can raise SHBG substantially. But this is due to the zuclomiphene. Enclomiphene alone does not do this.
I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
Age: 59, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 154 lbs
Protocol: 2.4 mg T propionate subQ qd, 3.2 mg T enanthate qd, 20 mcg GnRH subQ 5.25x/d, 6.25 mg DHEA bid, 12.5 mg enclomiphene qod
Approximate levels (peak): TT: 700 ng/dL, E2: 30 pg/mL, DHEA-S: 300 ug/dL, SHBG: 30 nMol/L

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« Reply #53 on: November 11, 2020, 07:19:26 pm »
Thanks for the quick reply.. Unfortunately I don't think enclomiphene is available in my country.. Ok  I was thinking to go a month with 25mg clomid and 10 mg Nolva.. I wont use proviron.. I ll do another blood work about a month after I stop to see where things are and let you know of any progress. Any advice on my plan.. Are the doses ok??

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Re: Doc prescribed very high dose of HCG (ovitrelle)
« Reply #54 on: November 12, 2020, 01:06:33 am »
Your plan should provide a lot of HPTA stimulation. I'd expect high LH levels, and presumably high testosterone as well. But you had good number previously, so I'm doubtful this is going to lead to long-term resolution of symptoms.
I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
Age: 59, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 154 lbs
Protocol: 2.4 mg T propionate subQ qd, 3.2 mg T enanthate qd, 20 mcg GnRH subQ 5.25x/d, 6.25 mg DHEA bid, 12.5 mg enclomiphene qod
Approximate levels (peak): TT: 700 ng/dL, E2: 30 pg/mL, DHEA-S: 300 ug/dL, SHBG: 30 nMol/L

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« Reply #55 on: November 12, 2020, 10:55:07 am »
Yes I did have good numbers..but I never checked free t before.. And last time I checked it was 11ng/dl which I think could cause the symptoms. Even though my total t was high at 750 and shbg was 35..thats what I am hoping to fix

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Re: Doc prescribed very high dose of HCG (ovitrelle)
« Reply #56 on: November 12, 2020, 12:02:39 pm »
I don't think we established which method was used to come up with 11 ng/dL for your free T. But excepting Tru-T, I don't think I've seen a scale where 11 ng/dL would be low enough to cause symptoms. With TT of 750 ng/dL and SHBG of 35 nMol/L Tru-T is giving 26 ng/dL (16-31). It is unlikely that low testosterone is your problem, either free or total.
I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
Age: 59, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 154 lbs
Protocol: 2.4 mg T propionate subQ qd, 3.2 mg T enanthate qd, 20 mcg GnRH subQ 5.25x/d, 6.25 mg DHEA bid, 12.5 mg enclomiphene qod
Approximate levels (peak): TT: 700 ng/dL, E2: 30 pg/mL, DHEA-S: 300 ug/dL, SHBG: 30 nMol/L

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« Reply #57 on: November 12, 2020, 04:04:24 pm »
I've calculated it with many online methods including tru t and got to same result as you.. The 11 ng/dl came from blood work..

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« Reply #58 on: November 16, 2020, 01:33:26 pm »
I am starting to notice some difference in erections and semen volume.. I think it's from clomid cause Nolva never did it in the past.. I am taking 25mg Ed.. Should I increase to 50mg? Will it be more beneficial or I should stick to 25mg?
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« Reply #59 on: November 16, 2020, 04:31:49 pm »
I wouldn't go any higher than 25 mg daily with Clomid; that's the maximum guys should take long-term. Early on you may feel good effects related to the enclomiphene. But due to zuclomiphene's long half life it takes weeks to build up and possibly cause estrogenic mischief.
I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
Age: 59, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 154 lbs
Protocol: 2.4 mg T propionate subQ qd, 3.2 mg T enanthate qd, 20 mcg GnRH subQ 5.25x/d, 6.25 mg DHEA bid, 12.5 mg enclomiphene qod
Approximate levels (peak): TT: 700 ng/dL, E2: 30 pg/mL, DHEA-S: 300 ug/dL, SHBG: 30 nMol/L

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Re: Doc prescribed very high dose of HCG (ovitrelle)
« Reply #59 on: November 16, 2020, 04:31:49 pm »