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Oxytocin and Test
« on: June 08, 2021, 05:33:31 am »
Do oxytocin and testosterone interplay with one another?  I never hear about people looking at oxytocin when being concerned about testosterone. Maybe there is a link?
December 17th, 2020:

TT: 543.85 ng/dL (245-970 ng/dL)
FT: 11.82 pg/mL (47-293 pg/mL)
Prolactin: 25.76 ng/mL (3-13 ng/mL)
SHBG: 8.69 nmol/L (10-40 nmol/L)
E2: 25.26 pg/mL (10-40 pg/mL)
DHEA-S: 629.71 mg/dL (280-640 mg/dL)
Cortisol @ 8 A.M.: 23.64 mcg/dL (10-20 mcg/dL)
TSH: 2.38 mIU/L (0.5-4.15 mIU/L)
T3: 137.63 ng/dL (100-200 ng/dL)
T4: 1.39 ng/dL (0.8-1.8 ng/dL)
(Reverse) T3: 15.37 ng/dL (9.2-24.1 ng/dL)
FSH: 4.36 mIU/mL (1.5-12.4 mIU/mL)
LH: 3.66 IU/L (1.24-7.8 IU/L)

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Re: Oxytocin and Test
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2021, 05:37:35 am »
Do oxytocin and testosterone interplay with one another?  I never hear about people looking at oxytocin when being concerned about testosterone. Maybe there is a link?

Does increasing testosterone influence oxytocin levels?
December 17th, 2020:

TT: 543.85 ng/dL (245-970 ng/dL)
FT: 11.82 pg/mL (47-293 pg/mL)
Prolactin: 25.76 ng/mL (3-13 ng/mL)
SHBG: 8.69 nmol/L (10-40 nmol/L)
E2: 25.26 pg/mL (10-40 pg/mL)
DHEA-S: 629.71 mg/dL (280-640 mg/dL)
Cortisol @ 8 A.M.: 23.64 mcg/dL (10-20 mcg/dL)
TSH: 2.38 mIU/L (0.5-4.15 mIU/L)
T3: 137.63 ng/dL (100-200 ng/dL)
T4: 1.39 ng/dL (0.8-1.8 ng/dL)
(Reverse) T3: 15.37 ng/dL (9.2-24.1 ng/dL)
FSH: 4.36 mIU/mL (1.5-12.4 mIU/mL)
LH: 3.66 IU/L (1.24-7.8 IU/L)

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Re: Oxytocin and Test
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Re: Oxytocin and Test
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2021, 11:01:07 am »
Good questions. Since I don't know either I'll let you report what your search engine turns up.
I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
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Re: Oxytocin and Test
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2021, 01:25:53 pm »
My curiosity got the better of me, so I'll report what my search engine turned up. There appears to be a correlation between testosterone and oxytocin in men, ostensibly because they balance against each other. In this research, when men went out to hunt, success led to greater levels of testosterone, and the higher the testosterone the higher the oxytocin. The authors suggest this is a good result because the oxytocin makes the successful hunter better able to reconnect and share with his family upon returning. In addition, both testosterone and oxytocin have a role in recovery, which can be useful after a strenuous hunt.

The need to balance hunting pride and social obligations, and the necessity to reconnect with a family that depends on their provisioning were likely experienced by men throughout much of human evolutionary history.
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Basically, the fact that hormone mechanisms have been tweaked during evolution suggests that the behaviors they promote have provided fitness benefits in the past. In this case, hunting and sharing meat must have increased men’s reproductive success.

In this context, it’s also interesting that like testosterone, oxytocin can be involved in muscle regeneration. While more research needs to be done on this, it would make sense for the same hormone to have both social and regenerative functions if the opportunity and need for both predictably coincided, as when coming home after a day’s work.

I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
Age: 59, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 154 lbs
Protocol: 2.4 mg T propionate subQ qd, 3.2 mg T enanthate qd, 20 mcg GnRH subQ 5.25x/d, 6.25 mg DHEA bid, 12.5 mg enclomiphene qod
Approximate levels (peak): TT: 700 ng/dL, E2: 30 pg/mL, DHEA-S: 300 ug/dL, SHBG: 30 nMol/L

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Re: Oxytocin and Test
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Re: Oxytocin and Test
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2021, 01:21:35 pm »
My curiosity got the better of me, so I'll report what my search engine turned up. There appears to be a correlation between testosterone and oxytocin in men, ostensibly because they balance against each other. In this research, when men went out to hunt, success led to greater levels of testosterone, and the higher the testosterone the higher the oxytocin. The authors suggest this is a good result because the oxytocin makes the successful hunter better able to reconnect and share with his family upon returning. In addition, both testosterone and oxytocin have a role in recovery, which can be useful after a strenuous hunt.

The need to balance hunting pride and social obligations, and the necessity to reconnect with a family that depends on their provisioning were likely experienced by men throughout much of human evolutionary history.
...
Basically, the fact that hormone mechanisms have been tweaked during evolution suggests that the behaviors they promote have provided fitness benefits in the past. In this case, hunting and sharing meat must have increased men’s reproductive success.

In this context, it’s also interesting that like testosterone, oxytocin can be involved in muscle regeneration. While more research needs to be done on this, it would make sense for the same hormone to have both social and regenerative functions if the opportunity and need for both predictably coincided, as when coming home after a day’s work.



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Re: Oxytocin and Test
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2021, 04:06:26 pm »
Oxytocin is released in men I think less. One of the most significant release is orgasm after sex. Oxytocin is the “bonding” hormone. So this is why I believe men want “make up sex”. As it is subconscious that after an argument or disagreement having sex reconnects him with his spouse due to the oxytocin hormone bonding effect.

Wives also report their husband will not talk or open up or state feelings EXCEPT after sex and then can hardly get him to shut up. Again this is the work and result of the bonding effect of oxytocin.

Women cannot understand why or how men can and want or even “need” to have sex after an argument. They do not understand the important effect of bonding sex has due to the oxytocin. If wives were taught tjis, and if they really want to reconnect and have her husband reconnect with them, they would be more apt to “sacrifice” and have sex because she would gain more than she lost by “giving in”.

In women huge dump of oxytocin is released when breast feeding a newborn. Again this is on purpose as it is tremendous bonding power between the mother and child. It also can be a help to have breast and nipple stimulation of the woman in foreplay to release oxytocin and get her more interested in sex and the bonding between the couple.

I think oxytocin is also released in women when they are “talking” in an emotional talk.

It is maddening. God created women to “need” to feel connected through talking etc (oxytocin) BEFORE they want or desire to have sex. They want to feel close first and then have sex. Men are wired exactly the opposite. They want/need sex to have the oxytocin dump in order to feel close and want to talk and bond.

So is low T and no sex, one of the largest dumps of oxytocin is also removed. Then it is a self perpetuating spiral of no desire to do anything, sports, hunting career and no corresponding oxytocin with those activities which leads to remoteness with spouse and the negative spiral continues.
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Blood tested 2/9/21

Total = 614  ng/dL (250-827) up from 520
Free T= 13.68 (5.6- 21.0) measured
Free T TruT calc 19.9

SHBG= 31.9 (11.2-78.1)

Bio-avail= 321 (110-575)

Estradiol = <10 (11-44) male range
Estrone not measured

DHES = not measured
DHEA = not measured

Currently on 50mcg Synthroid (T4)
TSH = 0.937
Free T4 = 1.03 (0.78 - 2.19)= 17.7% of range
Free T3 = 3.73(2.77-5.27) = 38.4%  of range

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Re: Oxytocin and Test
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2021, 04:06:26 pm »