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Re: TRT is THE worst decision I've ever made
« Reply #105 on: May 26, 2021, 10:22:51 pm »
I forgot to mention that I had a lot of the same symptoms when I was younger. I lived in an old Victorian home, it was beautiful and I loved it but there was mold in it. My boys were sick all the time as well. We moved out of that house into a fairly new home and w/in 8 months my boys and I felt great. It was like night and day. Now I ended up feeling like shit again but that was because my T got too low and starting TRT was the best decision I ever made.   

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« Reply #106 on: May 27, 2021, 08:29:32 am »
How can I be sure? Common sense is how. I had nothing wrong with me pre trt and three months later after starting trt everything hits me like a ton of bricks. You can't just shut down the cascade of hormones and not expect things to go haywire.

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« Reply #107 on: May 27, 2021, 11:34:49 pm »
How can I be sure? Common sense is how. I had nothing wrong with me pre trt and three months later after starting trt everything hits me like a ton of bricks. You can't just shut down the cascade of hormones and not expect things to go haywire.

I understand that you are frustrated; my comment wasn't intended to upset you further. I apologize. However, TRT works for a lot of guys and a lot of your symptoms don't really fit what would be considered a side effect of TRT. I was only offering some insight as I did have a lot of those same symptoms before I started TRT. There is obviously something going on with your health and it isn't outside the realm of possibility that the manifestation of your symptoms starting after TRT was a coincidence. I feel that ruling out that possibility may be folly. Don't you think you should at least consider that it may not be TRT that caused your problems? Obviously it is you choice but sometimes we get so attached to an idea that we close our minds and are blinded to what may be helpful. I am sorry that you are feeling so miserable and I wish there was more that I could do for you. I know what it is like to feel terrible all of the time, to feel hopeless and like no one will listen. I truly hope you find your answers Chevy   

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« Reply #108 on: May 29, 2021, 04:26:27 pm »
I'm not upset with you or anybody else. I'm EXTREMELY frustrated and aggravated. I've been like this for 6 damn years now and it has made me very cynical. No doctor will listen and there seems to be no end to this in sight. I feel like I have lost my 40s entirely due to this. No I do not believe this is just a coincidence and no I haven't focused on just the trt angle but I do believe trt caused this. Ive been at this for 6 years now and I've went thru every system I can think of that might affect me like this. I had zero of these symptoms before trt and trt is the only thing that changed. Every one of my symptoms can be connected to a hormone of some kind being out of whack. No energy, no motivation, no libido, joint pain, memory issues etc. The problem is these symptoms overlap with so many different problems and other than the kidney/water retention issues being the only thing that stands out on labs pre vs post trt that it's gonna be hard to figure out what it is. I focused on just the kidneys for 2 damn years and improved nothing during those 2 years. Like I said you can't just start replacing one hormone and not expect there to be a cascade of side effects eventually. Yes some do great with it and some it never helps. I'm working on the dopamine angle right now because there are some people who believe dopamine takes a hit after awhile when trt is involved and dopamine is the only thing left that might explain the kidney issues.

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« Reply #109 on: June 05, 2021, 12:04:26 pm »
I am going to respectfully agree with some on this thread that are suggesting that TRT may not be at the root of all your issues. As I mentioned before, I have not read the entire thread (it's long), but I think you mentioned fluid retention, concerns about your kidneys and lasix. I also read previously that you are very leery of the medical establishment. I may be wrong, but this would suggest to me that you are possibly self treating with lasix to address your swelling? Forgive me if I misinterpreted the fact pattern. But, if you are in fact self treating with lasix, you can really insult your kidneys and even cause kidney failure.

Could it be possible that TRT triggered something unpleasant years ago, but all the subsequent interventions (medications, supplements, etc) have caused a complex cascade of problems?

Numbness in both hands can caused by a LOT of things. Common things are common. Most commonly, cubital tunnel or carpal tunnel cause hand numbness. But, this would usually involve only certain fingers/parts of the hand. If it is the entire hand, perhaps it is a peripheral neuropathy (which in turn can be caused by a million underlying entities).

You are frustrated and upset. I wish someone here could suggest a magic bullet to solve your issues. But, (and this is only my humble opinion) I think you would be better off expending your energy on finding the right physician than chasing all your symptoms yourself. I would start with an internist. The right internist will know when a condition is better evaluated by a specialist and refer you appropriately. 

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« Reply #110 on: June 06, 2021, 02:28:07 am »
I'm not sure of anything and have no clue what's wrong with me. I've been in bed for a day and a half due to my lower back going out


and I dropped my drill and stuck the drill bit thru my foot. 

I've had a hell of a time getting treatment for RNP antibodies (it's like lupus) and it destroys life itself. I don't know that you have autoimmune issues, but getting a blood test for them is not a big deal. Getting treatment is near impossible unless you are dying.

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« Reply #111 on: June 07, 2021, 03:00:03 am »
I never said that trt was the root of all my issues but I have no doubt that it is the cause of most of my issues. You focusing on lasix and hand numbness is odd to me considering all my other symptoms but I highly doubt 40 mg of lasix will cause kidney damage. I would say that a BP of 150/90 every day all day would do lots more and quicker damage to those tiny little blood vessels in the kidneys than lasix would. Sure if you take an insane amount it'll cause dehydration among other things but ODing on any meds will cause problems. And no my self treating with supplements and other things are not triggering anything. When you spend a year at a time taking basically nothing and still feel like garbage then those supps and drugs are not the cause. TRT has shut down something in my body. I can't understand why that is such a strange concept to some when we already know for a fact that it suppresses and shuts down certain systems. Cat seems to be a prime example of that and I'm glad that he figured his out. And you damn well better believe I have zero faith in doctors when it comes to diagnosing something other than the most common issues. When you have them ignore symptoms, call you a liar or flat out lie to you it's kinda hard to trust them. One doctor, who is or at least use to be on this forum and is supposedly a top dog in TRT, ignored my low CO2, said it was from hyperventilating even tho I actually breathe quite slow and shallow, and told me trt doesn't cause high hematocrit and hemoglobin. Yeah buddy. Needless to say I haven't wasted any more time on him. I'm no dummy by any stretch and I will not be treated as such. I know my body very well because I've been living in it for 48 years. It's kind of odd how I basically had one symptom then get on trt and start having multiples symptoms pop up all at once.

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« Reply #112 on: June 11, 2021, 07:38:34 pm »
How can I be sure? Common sense is how. I had nothing wrong with me pre trt and three months later after starting trt everything hits me like a ton of bricks. You can't just shut down the cascade of hormones and not expect things to go haywire.

People have been removing testicles from animals and people alike for thousands of years, with no obvious health defects related, other than a propensity to gain weight. Testosterone is absolutely helpful when at proper levels, but when not abused, it's proper use is "probably" not a catalyst for an entire host of health issues. I make little to none naturally, and when using it correctly, it is a help. It's not a cure for anything. Furthermore, I can function just fine with levels from 25 ng/dl to 1200 ng/dl. Interestingly, I just got tested and T levels spiked to over 1200 due to a new application method (using a transdermal carrier). I just makes me horny and sleep fewer hours when levels are high.



57 years old
Autoimmune Hashimoto's, near zero natural T production
Cause: severe mononucleosis in my early 30's
Weight 220
Height 5' 10"
180mg NPthyroid (natural desiccated pigs thyroid)
Labs (Oct 2017) , my T=730, TSH 0.03, T3+T4 mid-range normal.
 
10% compounded creme. T=725, which feels just right.

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« Reply #113 on: June 12, 2021, 11:48:46 am »
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People have been removing testicles from animals and people alike for thousands of years, with no obvious health defects related, other than a propensity to gain weight. ...

I think it's a little more complicated. This is largely true when the castration is done before sexual maturity, though it neglects known problems such as "osteoporosis, failure of closure of the epiphyses, reactive pituitary hyperplasia, shrinkage of the prostate, and development of gynecomastia".[R] I can't find the reference at the moment, but I did read a discussion on the difficulties encountered with later castration. I'd argue that many of us who developed hypogonadism later in life have first-hand experience with the symptoms.
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« Reply #114 on: June 12, 2021, 12:36:02 pm »
Found a reference. Referred to in this post.

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... Further, as will be examined later, it seems that orchiectomies performed at early ages have many positive effects on health, whereas orchiectomies performed later in life have fewer positive effects, and may even negatively affect some aspects of health.
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I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
Age: 60, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 154 lbs
Protocol: 4.5 mg T propionate subQ qd, 20 mcg GnRH subQ 5.25x/d, 6.25 mg DHEA bid, 12.5 mg enclomiphene q4d
Approximate levels (peak): TT: 700 ng/dL, E2: 30 pg/mL, DHEA-S: 300 ug/dL, SHBG: 30 nMol/L

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« Reply #115 on: June 14, 2021, 05:42:15 pm »
How can I be sure? Common sense is how. I had nothing wrong with me pre trt and three months later after starting trt everything hits me like a ton of bricks. You can't just shut down the cascade of hormones and not expect things to go haywire.

People have been removing testicles from animals and people alike for thousands of years, with no obvious health defects related, other than a propensity to gain weight. Testosterone is absolutely helpful when at proper levels, but when not abused, it's proper use is "probably" not a catalyst for an entire host of health issues. I make little to none naturally, and when using it correctly, it is a help. It's not a cure for anything. Furthermore, I can function just fine with levels from 25 ng/dl to 1200 ng/dl. Interestingly, I just got tested and T levels spiked to over 1200 due to a new application method (using a transdermal carrier). I just makes me horny and sleep fewer hours when levels are high.

What's crazy is you are actually serious with this. If you function just fine without trt then why are you on it? Why should anybody bother with trt if we can all function just fine without it. It's a known medical fact that low T causes all kinds of issues and it's becoming more clear that trt can cause a host of issues also. Like I said cat is a prime example of that. Wow, I've never seen a trt forum be against trt before. Lol

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« Reply #116 on: June 14, 2021, 05:45:17 pm »
I develop low T due to dhea use. I get on trt and feel great for three months then all of the sudden that all goes away but it's only coincidence that it happened at the same time I went on trt?? Seriously?? Wowee.

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