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lk007

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Re: Is there a natural alternative to Cialis Daily?
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2021, 12:14:46 am »
It's also difficult for me to ask for Testostrone, even with the nasal pump offering, as Australia is very strict on it now - maybe due to sports scandals over the last decade.

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Re: Is there a natural alternative to Cialis Daily?
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2021, 01:59:14 am »
It's also difficult for me to ask for Testostrone, even with the nasal pump offering, as Australia is very strict on it now - maybe due to sports scandals over the last decade.

I 100% would not go the Testosterone replacement route.
try supplementing for the stated Vits and minerals, you can test but its probably easier to just take the supplements anyway.
Kegals do no harm so no reason to stop them.
Age:60, Height 6' 3" weight 100KG
2014 Androderm Patches
2014-2016 Oral Andriol 160mg Daily
June 2016 Clomid/Serophene 12.5mg EOD
September 2016 no TRT all natural and supplements for the time being
February 2017 Testosterone cream 100mg daily

Sept 2016
Testosterone   8.2 nmol/l   9-38
Free Testosterone   239 pmol/l   L   250-800
SHBG:  14    nmol/L   9-60
Free Androgen index   586   >400
Oestradiol    112   pmol/L    <190
LH    2.6 IU/L Adult male   2 - 9 IU/L
FSH  1.4 IU/L Adult male L2 - 12 IU/L

22 November
T 6.8  nmol/L ( 9-38 ) L

March 2017
Testosterone:   45.0  nmol/L ( 9-38 ) H ( 1,323 ng/dl )
Free Testosterone:   1512  pmol/L ( 250-800 ) H
SHBG:   17  nmol/L ( 9-60 )
Plasma IGF-1:   227 ug/L ( 55-198 ) H
Plasma cortisol:   434 nmol/L ( 0600-1000 hrs 170-500 nmol/L )
HbA1c:   36 mmol/mol ( 20-40 )
LH:   <0.1 IU/L
FSH:   0.1 IU/L
DHT Plasma Dihydrotestosterone:   7455   pmol/L ( 223 ng/dl ) 
Reference Range Adult males  1000-6000 pmol/L

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Re: Is there a natural alternative to Cialis Daily?
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Re: Is there a natural alternative to Cialis Daily?
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2021, 08:58:36 am »
Sorry - last question! Should I also get a blood test for Magnesium and Copper to see if I need to bump everything up there or are these usually just bumped up through supplements?

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Re: Is there a natural alternative to Cialis Daily?
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2021, 11:07:18 am »
Is there a VitD, Zinc, B12 multivitamin you recommend, or would I have to purchase them all individually?

I also went through the stack mentioned in the first reply being the JustAskin formula, and wondered, out of all of the natural remedies, is there one you can recommend like L-Arginine, L-Citrulline, etc, or would it again be a stack?

I'm sadly in a position where the financial side limits me to a few vitamins verses getting every vitamin mentioned in the stack. :(

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Re: Is there a natural alternative to Cialis Daily?
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2021, 11:57:44 am »
Regarding testing levels of vitamins and minerals, sometimes it is simpler to try supplementation for a period to see if it helps, without actually measuring individual levels. Just keep doses reasonable. In some cases you can do harm by taking too much, e.g. zinc, vitamin D.

Personally I would use L-citrulline and not bother with arginine. I like NALT to provide the raw material for dopamine. For dopamine itself I prefer selegiline over what's in the stack. Selegiline may have anti-aging properties, and is worth looking into if you're not so young.
I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
Age: 60, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 154 lbs
Protocol: 3.2 mg TE subQ qd, 2.4 mg TP subQ qd, 20 mcg GnRH subQ 5.25x/d, 6.25 mg DHEA bid, 12.5 mg enclomiphene qod
Approximate levels (peak): TT: 700 ng/dL, E2: 30 pg/mL, DHEA-S: 300 ug/dL, SHBG: 30 nMol/L

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Re: Is there a natural alternative to Cialis Daily?
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2021, 12:18:36 pm »
I too would stay away from the arginin as when I used it I ended up with Shingles.
Age:60, Height 6' 3" weight 100KG
2014 Androderm Patches
2014-2016 Oral Andriol 160mg Daily
June 2016 Clomid/Serophene 12.5mg EOD
September 2016 no TRT all natural and supplements for the time being
February 2017 Testosterone cream 100mg daily

Sept 2016
Testosterone   8.2 nmol/l   9-38
Free Testosterone   239 pmol/l   L   250-800
SHBG:  14    nmol/L   9-60
Free Androgen index   586   >400
Oestradiol    112   pmol/L    <190
LH    2.6 IU/L Adult male   2 - 9 IU/L
FSH  1.4 IU/L Adult male L2 - 12 IU/L

22 November
T 6.8  nmol/L ( 9-38 ) L

March 2017
Testosterone:   45.0  nmol/L ( 9-38 ) H ( 1,323 ng/dl )
Free Testosterone:   1512  pmol/L ( 250-800 ) H
SHBG:   17  nmol/L ( 9-60 )
Plasma IGF-1:   227 ug/L ( 55-198 ) H
Plasma cortisol:   434 nmol/L ( 0600-1000 hrs 170-500 nmol/L )
HbA1c:   36 mmol/mol ( 20-40 )
LH:   <0.1 IU/L
FSH:   0.1 IU/L
DHT Plasma Dihydrotestosterone:   7455   pmol/L ( 223 ng/dl ) 
Reference Range Adult males  1000-6000 pmol/L

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Re: Is there a natural alternative to Cialis Daily?
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2021, 10:33:18 am »
Thanks for the advice, and appreciate the help.

How much L-Citrulline should I take per day? With everything being equal, do I just keep taking Cialis Daily if all else fails until the end?

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Re: Is there a natural alternative to Cialis Daily?
« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2021, 08:44:44 am »
This is a silly question but is there a pharmaceutical grade L Citrulline outside of the Viagra , Cialis, Levitra options?

I'll also have my other tests to hopefully show you next week as well.

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Re: Is there a natural alternative to Cialis Daily?
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2021, 02:20:26 pm »
I take a gram of L-citrulline twice a day. But I think some of the research involves much higher doses. Just start on the low side and work up.

Regarding pharmaceutical grade, look for brands that meet the USP standard. I didn't see any with a quick scan on Amazon. But a general Internet search came up with this brand: https://www.nutrivitashop.com/l-citrulline-100-pure-powder-free-form-amino-acid-pharmaceutical-grade-usp/
I'm not sure what you need to do to verify the claimed adherence to the USP standard.
I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
Age: 60, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 154 lbs
Protocol: 3.2 mg TE subQ qd, 2.4 mg TP subQ qd, 20 mcg GnRH subQ 5.25x/d, 6.25 mg DHEA bid, 12.5 mg enclomiphene qod
Approximate levels (peak): TT: 700 ng/dL, E2: 30 pg/mL, DHEA-S: 300 ug/dL, SHBG: 30 nMol/L

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Re: Is there a natural alternative to Cialis Daily?
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2021, 01:16:19 am »
I took L-citrulline at 2 grams in the evening usually combined with French Maritime pine bark  300mg, I originally took it it with Arginin but stopped that after the Shingles episode.
Vit D3  5000 iu once a day plus zinc 50mg, and 1 gram of magnesium, some find Boron to be helpful but only sporadically, I took 6 mg occasionally.
Age:60, Height 6' 3" weight 100KG
2014 Androderm Patches
2014-2016 Oral Andriol 160mg Daily
June 2016 Clomid/Serophene 12.5mg EOD
September 2016 no TRT all natural and supplements for the time being
February 2017 Testosterone cream 100mg daily

Sept 2016
Testosterone   8.2 nmol/l   9-38
Free Testosterone   239 pmol/l   L   250-800
SHBG:  14    nmol/L   9-60
Free Androgen index   586   >400
Oestradiol    112   pmol/L    <190
LH    2.6 IU/L Adult male   2 - 9 IU/L
FSH  1.4 IU/L Adult male L2 - 12 IU/L

22 November
T 6.8  nmol/L ( 9-38 ) L

March 2017
Testosterone:   45.0  nmol/L ( 9-38 ) H ( 1,323 ng/dl )
Free Testosterone:   1512  pmol/L ( 250-800 ) H
SHBG:   17  nmol/L ( 9-60 )
Plasma IGF-1:   227 ug/L ( 55-198 ) H
Plasma cortisol:   434 nmol/L ( 0600-1000 hrs 170-500 nmol/L )
HbA1c:   36 mmol/mol ( 20-40 )
LH:   <0.1 IU/L
FSH:   0.1 IU/L
DHT Plasma Dihydrotestosterone:   7455   pmol/L ( 223 ng/dl ) 
Reference Range Adult males  1000-6000 pmol/L

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Re: Is there a natural alternative to Cialis Daily?
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2021, 07:11:49 am »
Thanks again for your advice with everything.

My prolactin results came in which is;

Prolactin (mIU/L) 181 mIU/L (45 - 375)
Prolactin test is performed using Siemens Centaur/Atellica system.

Would the above vitamins cause any concerns around liver or kidney issues, or is it only if you take too much of any vitamin/medication?


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« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2021, 11:21:42 am »
Hello Cat, can you please explain in your words how Natesto does not suppress the body's testosterone production. I have read what was on the Natesto website but I do not fully understand.
Thanks!!

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« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2021, 03:40:36 pm »
Hello Cat, can you please explain in your words how Natesto does not suppress the body's testosterone production. I have read what was on the Natesto website but I do not fully understand.
Thanks!!

It seems to be due to the fast action of the product. If I'm remembering correctly the half-life is only 40 minutes or so. You get this fast rise in serum testosterone to high-normal levels, which returns to baseline in at most a few hours. The relatively long time spent at the low baseline is what keeps the HTPA functional and producing endogenous testosterone. Fortunately it appears that peak daily serum testosterone provides many of the benefits we experience from testosterone. So you get most of the good stuff without the major drawback of suppressing several endogenous hormones—e.g. kisspeptin, GnRH, LH, FSH, etc.
I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
Age: 60, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 154 lbs
Protocol: 3.2 mg TE subQ qd, 2.4 mg TP subQ qd, 20 mcg GnRH subQ 5.25x/d, 6.25 mg DHEA bid, 12.5 mg enclomiphene qod
Approximate levels (peak): TT: 700 ng/dL, E2: 30 pg/mL, DHEA-S: 300 ug/dL, SHBG: 30 nMol/L

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Re: Is there a natural alternative to Cialis Daily?
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2021, 10:33:04 pm »
Cat, everyone, what do you think about the Prolactin? Is there a multivitamin you recommend which may contain all of the above instead of me sourcing everything seperately? Should I be concerned about causing kidney and liver issues?

What is NALT exactly so I can see if I find it at my chemist?

If I also take citrulline, would I notice any effects straight away and is it something I can take just once a day like in the morning or at night time? I guess I'm trying to replace Cialis Daily if possible, whilst at the same time trying to be as cost effective as possible.

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Re: Is there a natural alternative to Cialis Daily?
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2021, 01:00:53 am »
Cat, everyone, what do you think about the Prolactin? Is there a multivitamin you recommend which may contain all of the above instead of me sourcing everything seperately? Should I be concerned about causing kidney and liver issues?

What is NALT exactly so I can see if I find it at my chemist?

If I also take citrulline, would I notice any effects straight away and is it something I can take just once a day like in the morning or at night time? I guess I'm trying to replace Cialis Daily if possible, whilst at the same time trying to be as cost effective as possible.

As the founder of this site recommended, you should always take a multi vitamin.

Multi vitamins however generally only provide a low dose of each vitamin or mineral and while they are great for some of the trace elements etc  the ones stated above generally are a much larger pill and for that reason cant be added into a multi vitamin pill size in the volumes required.

The cheapest place I found to source was either eBay ( US suppliers) or iHerb which seemed to be pretty reasonable with pricing.

Sourcing locally will just about bankrupt you and I am sure the same applies in OZ as NZ regards to over inflated pricing.

NZ and Aus generally have the same import policies as per CER and similar prohibitions as directed from the medical council, NZ and Aus medical councils all read from the same song sheet so you might find some restrictions on importation of some supplements or there concentrations, really depends on how effective border control is.

There can be some negative interactions with some high doses but would pay to refer back here for advice or look at relevant medical papers and studies online. You will often find that medical authorities put ridiculously low RDA's on vits and minerals that dont stand close scrutiny with current research.

Cat may have more experience with NALT, I have used it but little effect for me but others find it great.
Age:60, Height 6' 3" weight 100KG
2014 Androderm Patches
2014-2016 Oral Andriol 160mg Daily
June 2016 Clomid/Serophene 12.5mg EOD
September 2016 no TRT all natural and supplements for the time being
February 2017 Testosterone cream 100mg daily

Sept 2016
Testosterone   8.2 nmol/l   9-38
Free Testosterone   239 pmol/l   L   250-800
SHBG:  14    nmol/L   9-60
Free Androgen index   586   >400
Oestradiol    112   pmol/L    <190
LH    2.6 IU/L Adult male   2 - 9 IU/L
FSH  1.4 IU/L Adult male L2 - 12 IU/L

22 November
T 6.8  nmol/L ( 9-38 ) L

March 2017
Testosterone:   45.0  nmol/L ( 9-38 ) H ( 1,323 ng/dl )
Free Testosterone:   1512  pmol/L ( 250-800 ) H
SHBG:   17  nmol/L ( 9-60 )
Plasma IGF-1:   227 ug/L ( 55-198 ) H
Plasma cortisol:   434 nmol/L ( 0600-1000 hrs 170-500 nmol/L )
HbA1c:   36 mmol/mol ( 20-40 )
LH:   <0.1 IU/L
FSH:   0.1 IU/L
DHT Plasma Dihydrotestosterone:   7455   pmol/L ( 223 ng/dl ) 
Reference Range Adult males  1000-6000 pmol/L

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Re: Is there a natural alternative to Cialis Daily?
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