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wolfman

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Good numbers, but ---
« on: April 06, 2012, 02:12:05 am »
I'm new here, and have been reading trying to see if I am somewhat normal.  I am a young 66 and feel good -- yearly checkups and blood tests -- numbers are great.  My T in the past 5 to 10 years has always been 600+(early morning tests)  and the equipment has worked well until the last year.  I feel that I have aged more in the last year than I have in the last twenty --- body changing with muscle loss, not as much energy, and the shooter does not work as well as in the past.  I take N.O., Niacin, C, fish oil, L-arginine, Ubiquinol, and a multi as well as a good lean healthy diet.  I'm 6 foot and 195lbs and stay pretty active.  I figured that my T numbers must be dropping from a year ago and was surprised to see my latest @ 740 and 70 free, but still having some problems in the bedroom.  Getting hard is not a big problem, but my finish takes longer and I just don't have the release that was there a year ago.  I know that the equipment is getting older, but I'm trying to keep it going as long as possible.  I have a great partner and we party 2-3 times a week, I have zero stress (retired 12 yrs.) eat when I'm hungry and sleep when I'm tired - life is good.  Doc has given me some heart and flow tests and says that I am in the top 6% for my age.  I have never smoked and may have a couple of beers a month, lots of veggies and not much fat.  Got any ideas??

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Re: Good numbers, but ---
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2012, 04:40:19 am »
Wow!  As you can guess, most guys on this forum are going to be jealous of those T levels and general good health into your senior years. 

I'd start with a complete endo workup and physical. For example, some of what you are describing could be explained by something like hypothyroidism.  Of course, there are other weird things it could be, but that's where I would start considering your general good health.

Also, you may want to think about this when it comes to the L-Arginine:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/herpes_arginine

It really depends on the person as far as raising Arginine as the expense of Lysine...
« Last Edit: April 06, 2012, 12:24:45 pm by PeakT »
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Re: Good numbers, but ---
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2012, 04:40:19 am »


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Re: Good numbers, but ---
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2012, 01:51:15 pm »
Thanks for the tip on the on the L-arginine -- I have been taking 500mg four times per day and for the time being will back that down to 500mg per day and maybe to zero.  I don't need the problems that can come with it.  Last months blood test give me good numbers on my thyroid test, but I only had the basic test.  I think I will go back and have them do more testing on the thyroid. I'll do more reading on it and if you can recommend any testing that I could use, it would be great.  thanks

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Re: Good numbers, but ---
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2012, 04:19:20 pm »
Testosterone can take a nosedive btw.  Some of the guys on the forum have experienced that. 

Keep digging.  There are many things that can give you symptoms like the above and so you have to do research, check with docs, etc.  I was chatting with a naturopath about nutritional deficiences for example and his experience that you could correct most health issues by dealing with this first.  There are also heavy metals, viruses and a variety of other medical conditions that can cause the issue.  And, unfortunately, there's usually no easy way to find an instant answer - you have to get checked out and go by process of elimination and experimenation.

Btw, I'm assuming your lipid readings and blood pressure are good?  And that you are not on any medications?
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Re: Good numbers, but ---
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2012, 04:19:20 pm »


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Re: Good numbers, but ---
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2012, 10:43:21 pm »
Correct on lipids, blood pressure 118/78 and I do not take any meds -- zero, other than the O the counter vit's that I listed.  I have been taking L-arg for about six months on and off and when I am taking it there is a difference in the shorts --- no doubt about it.  Your warning of body damage made me read more and I think that i am done with it. I sometimes use V @ 250mg and that works great.  Now that I stopped using L-Arg I will probably use V more often.  Not always needed, but one hates to get to the fire and not have the hose.  I will keep looking into the thyroid more see what I can find --- any other ideas ?  Some of my friends have had close to the same things that are bothering me, but they started taking T and they are back in the saddle --- with my numbers the Doc just laughs at me.  When you say keep looking around for some cause ---- that has a whole different meaning at my age, I am already in the last chapter of the book!!  Time is getting to be an issue.

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Re: Good numbers, but ---
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2012, 03:38:27 am »
Ginseng and Pycnogenol work quite well for some guys.  (Make sure you get Korean Ginseng without lead if you try it.)

Btw, I'm not saying that Argininine or Citrulline will cause you problems.  I actually think it would be a fairly percentage of guys that it might cause issues in.  In fact, I would guess that it's more likely that Viagra or Cialis would cause issues before Arginine, but it really depends.  If you're taking Viagra and getting a little tinnitis or your vision is affected slightly, then I doubt that's good long term for example.

As I've pointed out, the PDE5 Inhibitors slow blood flow to the optic nerve in some men - that can't be good.  And think about this:  many men have take Arginine and Citrulline for months in the studies w/o a bevy of viral flareups, so one really has to experiment imo.

Do your own research and talk to your doc as I always say...
« Last Edit: April 07, 2012, 03:41:50 am by PeakT »
THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE BOOK ON TRT/TESTOSTERONE:
https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Versus-Testosterone-Therapy-Myer/dp/1523210532/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499116128&sr=8-1&keywords=natural+versus+testosterone+therapy
And check out my New Peak Testosterone Program: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/peak_testosterone_program
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Re: Good numbers, but ---
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2012, 03:38:27 am »