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alienshadow

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Total t question
« on: August 01, 2013, 07:32:18 pm »
My last Total Testosterone blood test came back with a reading of 637. To date I haven't noticed much of a change in how I feel especially the off feeling.. So with that number could my estradiol be high as well.

I only ask this because from what I have read on the net its hard to bring T levels up if estrogen builds up or am I reading wrong? I do hope to get better results after my visit on Monday.. I should say my last test was taken a week after my shot was given to me..
I have had symptoms since Sept 2011..
Blurry vision
Off feeling (brain fog) no spinning just off
Total T levels 185 with androgel 189 on shots now 5-30-13
Total T Level as of July 23rd.. 637
Still no E2 testing.

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Re: Total t question
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2013, 07:41:20 pm »
If you add exogenous testosterone or even stimulate, some if it will aromatize and you'll end up with mire estradiol than right before the therapy.  There are probably some rare cases otherwise, but that's the norm
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Re: Total t question
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2013, 07:41:20 pm »


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Re: Total t question
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2013, 09:31:17 pm »
So you are saying that testorone levels aren't affected by estrogen?
I have had symptoms since Sept 2011..
Blurry vision
Off feeling (brain fog) no spinning just off
Total T levels 185 with androgel 189 on shots now 5-30-13
Total T Level as of July 23rd.. 637
Still no E2 testing.

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Re: Total t question
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2013, 09:45:03 pm »
So you are saying that testorone levels aren't affected by estrogen?

Oh I see what you are asking.  Yes, that's true the hypothalamus is affected by estrogen levels and will provide negative feedback.  Obese men can get secondary hypogonadism due to elevated free estrogen levels for example.  I believe it is the ratio of free estrogen to free testosterone that really counts.
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Re: Total t question
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2013, 09:45:03 pm »


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Re: Total t question
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2013, 09:45:41 pm »
Sure excess testosterone circulating in your system has a chance to be converted to Estrogen.   You have to differentiate between how your body would normally produce testosterone and then use it up through daily activities with the majority produced again during sleep hours repeating this cycle.

Vs.   injecting a bunch of oil laced testosterone and letting it diffuse into your blood stream hoping to get to therapeutic levels(i.e. enough is released that the body needs without excess that can be converted to estrogen).

I am still myself not sure why anyone would need 400mg injected unless you had a huge amount of muscle mass and anabolic activity.

If you have any significant amount of bodyfat you are just asking for excess circulating testosterone to estrogen conversion.

Think of it this way if you assume a 1 week half-life
400mg injected
1week later
200mg left 200mg was available to you that week
1week later
100mg left 100mg available to you that week

etc etc.

Assume your body's need for Testosterone remained constant during that period and it was somewhere around the 100-150mg/week most men need you have quite a bit of excess Testosterone floating around in your system with no where to go but Estrogen giving you man boobs, or DHT giving you acne and hair loss.

This obviously gets more complex when you start looking at SHBG levels.  So the question I have is why did your doc give you 400mg in the first place?  Did he just not want to see you in his office every week?
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Re: Total t question
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2013, 09:50:23 pm »
I think its important to consider the diffusion characteristics of a blob of oil injected into your muscles.   It takes time to diffuse into your blood stream and this is related to the concentration and volume of the injected amount.

I wonder if diffusion dynamics of a testosterone injection based on volume have ever been studied.

i.e.   How the half-life and/or serum concentration changes over time when injecting 1 ml of a 200mg/ml or 2mls of a 100mg/ml solution.

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Re: Total t question
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2013, 09:50:57 pm »

I am still myself not sure why anyone would need 400mg injected unless you had a huge amount of muscle mass and anabolic activity.


Amen...
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Re: Total t question
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2013, 05:41:37 am »
I split Sam's post out about the body's natural testosterone output and production and how he surmises that any more than that may drive us into overaromatization:

https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1941.0
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Re: Total t question
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2013, 05:41:37 am »