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Eat, Fast and Live Longer The FastDiet:
« on: August 10, 2013, 07:58:48 am »
I came to this site to learn the rules I was never taught about how to maintain my health/vitality into old age.
Damage occurs to my body  when I'm young, but being young, I can do anything.  So how do I prevent more damage and even revserse some od the damage I've done to myself.
That is why I am a member of this site,

Recently, I watched a show called Eat, Fast and Live Longer with michael-mosley
http://www.pbs.org/program/michael-mosley/

I watched this show on TV and I think it fits into this site,
This site is about keeping  Mens Health; most noteably our ability to have erections/sex.,

It seems that as we get older, we have to start fighting against nature and mankind to stay healthy,
Nature wants us to get to the reproduction age, have offspring, then it doesnt matter what happens to us.
Mankind has done so much to our environment that affects our health, most notably on this site, our Food. Man kind has laced our food with additives which make food into an even more powerful drug that causes us to overeat.  Not to mention all the other stuff in the enviroment, as peak mentions here
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Hdr_Pesticides_Toxins


I watched this eat/fast/eat show to find an ideal way to eat and not cause damage to myself.

The message seem clear.
Get down to a good BMI/bodyfat, then do a 5/2 diet
5 days of eating normally, about 2000 calories or whatever you figured out your diet is.
then 2 days of



some of the benifets(I am not sure what how true any of this is, its just what the show says)

Fast/dieting helps lower IGF-1
This is a marker for cancers, and a normal american has a level ~200ng/mol, and the fast./dieting brought it down to ~100

Help lower fasting glucose levels
-which is noted on this site, that high glucose/sugar is bad for the body

The show says, you have to eat low protein(with no definition of what a low protein is, or what they protein is composed of)

I liked the review of the Book  that came out that is based on this "documentary"
http://www.amazon.com/review/R30YI8D3RGZOFK/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R30YI8D3RGZOFK

but I am back at my intital question

"once I get to a body weight/BMI/bodyfat that I want to be at, what is the best way to stay at that weight.
THe "Eat.fast" method seems to be good, because it stimulates my body by making it think I'm starving, so the body recacts  in a healthy way.
This will help the problem I have  when I reach a health weight, where I have no goals, watching the scale fall is a great way to stay motivated.  so not being able to eat a lot 2 days a week should help me stay on target

does anyone have any insights to add?
thanks


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Re: Eat, Fast and Live Longer The FastDiet:
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2013, 08:20:30 am »
It's interesting subject and fasting is one of those things that is as old as the world itself.    There are certain things that I think of when I think of biblical wisdom that they just kind of figured out over thousands of years and I think fasting is one of them.

I'm not sure how it works, but I do beleive hunger is the most basic need and drive and fasting helps you reach a level of self control not attainable in life otherwise.   Now,  I have only fasted a few times in my life, but its something I wish I could do periodically just to experience the mental benefits that I think come along with it.  Delayed gratification...  I am sure there are all kinds of dopamine related explanations for these feelings and the benefits of having a sense of control over one of the most primal needs.

If you can control the need for food, you can certainly overcome many other challenges in your life.

Mind you,  there are many different types of fasts and lengths of duration.

Just my 2 cents...

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Re: Eat, Fast and Live Longer The FastDiet:
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2013, 01:45:26 pm »
There were two approaches to Caloric Restriction (CR):

1.  Eat less calories daily
2.  Fasting

As you probably know, there was an abundance of research on the subject and the followers all went into the Biosphere at one point to test their theories:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12023257

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7613481

http://biomedgerontology.oxfordjournals.org/content/57/6/B211.full.pdf

Sounds like he has taken some of their data and repackaged it to make it more palatable for the Everyday Joe?

Does he advocate veganism?  I'm asking for a reason which has to do with the IGF-1 levels.
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Re: Eat, Fast and Live Longer The FastDiet:
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2013, 05:47:02 pm »
I split out some commentary about IGF-1 levels here:

https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.0
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Re: Eat, Fast and Live Longer The FastDiet:
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2013, 08:43:35 pm »
Also, long term caloric restriction will very significantly increase SHBG according to what I have read.  Don't have time to dig up the study though and I don't whether a 5/2 diet would have a reduced, but similar affect on SHBG.
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Re: Eat, Fast and Live Longer The FastDiet:
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2013, 08:53:54 pm »
Also, long term caloric restriction will very significantly increase SHBG according to what I have read.  Don't have time to dig up the study though and I don't whether a 5/2 diet would have a reduced, but similar affect on SHBG.
I think you'd have to eat more on the 2 days then. instead of 75% reduction, a 70% reduction, so you could stay on the diet and not lose fat

Ive yet to try it or read the book, the premise sounds promising because of how it causes the body to react on those 2days of very few calories(compared to 5 days of lots of calories)

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Re: Eat, Fast and Live Longer The FastDiet:
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2013, 02:48:55 am »
NPR did a story on this a month or so back:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/07/29/205845319/two-day-diets-how-mini-fasts-can-help-maximize-weight-loss

I have to say that when I first read about this 'way back when, I was pretty skeptical.  Since then, I've done a couple of stints of PSMF and TKD and realized that the days of caloric restrictions are not that bad, and once I got over my urge to attack random strangers and steal their Subway(tm) sandwiches, I was feeling pretty good!

I remember reading a long time ago about body type diets, and thinking they were BS as well.  Well, it turns out that as long as I fill my protein requirements, I am able to function pretty darn well on very low calorie levels.  My spouse, on the other hand, can go for weeks eating nothing but bran muffins and greek yoghurt and feel awesome.

I think I could very easily adapt to a program of maintenance or caloric surplus during the week (when I do my heavy gym routines) and much more drastic reduction on the week-ends pretty easily.

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Re: Eat, Fast and Live Longer The FastDiet:
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2013, 04:13:58 am »
NPR did a story on this a month or so back:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/07/29/205845319/two-day-diets-how-mini-fasts-can-help-maximize-weight-loss

I have to say that when I first read about this 'way back when, I was pretty skeptical.  Since then, I've done a couple of stints of PSMF and TKD and realized that the days of caloric restrictions are not that bad, and once I got over my urge to attack random strangers and steal their Subway(tm) sandwiches, I was feeling pretty good!

I remember reading a long time ago about body type diets, and thinking they were BS as well.  Well, it turns out that as long as I fill my protein requirements, I am able to function pretty darn well on very low calorie levels.  My spouse, on the other hand, can go for weeks eating nothing but bran muffins and greek yoghurt and feel awesome.

I think I could very easily adapt to a program of maintenance or caloric surplus during the week (when I do my heavy gym routines) and much more drastic reduction on the week-ends pretty easily.

Ray
Ive also read where people did diets on junk food and all kinds of things,
you hit a major point
as long as I fill my protein requirements, I am able to function pretty darn well on very low calorie levels. 
because aside from omega-3, the rest is just SUGAR
but to lose excess bodyfat, doing whatever works for you keep losing weight is what you should do.
extra bodyfat is bad for your body, mental state and how people treat you. Which means that candy bar./etc, tastes good,but it has lots of potent, long term effects


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Re: Eat, Fast and Live Longer The FastDiet:
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2013, 06:23:34 am »
I "fast" from 12am to 4pm every day. Not quite the same, but provides some of the same supposed benefits. I stopped eating breakfast a year ago and never plan on going back.

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Re: Eat, Fast and Live Longer The FastDiet:
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2013, 06:32:29 am »
I "fast" from 12am to 4pm every day. Not quite the same, but provides some of the same supposed benefits. I stopped eating breakfast a year ago and never plan on going back.
what hours do you work?

Im curious because the TV show I watched said that fasting caused an increase in cognitive abilities.
The reason was that when you were hungry, cavemen had think of ways to get food, so it would make sense that when you get hungry your brain gets stimulated to work better/harder, otherwise you'd just not get food and die.

I know I work better when I havent eaten, I do drink coffee, no sugar, calories.  I think caffenine increases blood flow to the brain, I dunno

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Re: Eat, Fast and Live Longer The FastDiet:
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2013, 08:36:51 pm »
I bought ebook about this diet called Eat Stop eat by Brad pilon
and Im doing a version of the diet called dinner to dinner
where I just eat one meal a day

This will take me out of the constant FED state that my body is always in

I might do this just once a week, maybe more times.
Ive currently gone 16 hours with no food..and Im feeling fine.

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Re: Eat, Fast and Live Longer The FastDiet:
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2013, 09:15:41 pm »
I bought ebook about this diet called Eat Stop eat by Brad pilon
and Im doing a version of the diet called dinner to dinner
where I just eat one meal a day

This will take me out of the constant FED state that my body is always in

I might do this just once a week, maybe more times.
Ive currently gone 16 hours with no food..and Im feeling fine.

Gotcha.  Some of the Paleo guys advocate this.  Their thesis is that Paleo man could only eat once or maybe twice per day.  I won't go into what I think of that theory, but the main thing is that some guys feel really good eating that way. 

And, yes, Jack LaLanne at just two meals per day.

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Re: Eat, Fast and Live Longer The FastDiet:
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2013, 09:23:40 pm »


Gotcha.  Some of the Paleo guys advocate this.  Their thesis is that Paleo man could only eat once or maybe twice per day.
That is odd because my friend told me she didnt think cavemen ever restricted themselves to eat only ONCE a day
I told her how cavemen would go a long time, days maybe, with no food, so I can fight the food beast that is always telling me to eat or lose all my muscles.

so the "Starvation" state might help me grow neurons/heal from the daily grind
The downside is social outings usually require eating.

My other friend is diabetic, his last A1c test was 6.8% , This is not good, average should be about 5%
My 13hour fasting glucose wsa 85, normal range is 70-100. 
I will  get a new blood test in a month or so

my IGF-1 was 198 on my last test,(71-241) 
IGF1 is to complicated for an amateur like me. Here is a link to a blog about IGF1. Its filled with good information and references.
http://scienceandreason.blogspot.se/2008/06/igf-1-calorie-restriction-exercise-and.html

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Re: Eat, Fast and Live Longer The FastDiet:
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2013, 09:30:33 pm »
See Ori Hofmekler.

Hey, post that IGF-1 link in the IGF-1 thread with any commentary if you want.  If not, I'll push it over there...
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Re: Eat, Fast and Live Longer The FastDiet:
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2013, 11:45:41 pm »
Im just curious about if fasting is a beneficial state to be in, like that program claimed and said it was with mice.

The program made a point saying how levels of IGF-1 mean something and the Normal level americans have is too high. So you can lower IGF-1 simply by fasting. I dieted and My IGF-298 (71-241)
glucose 85(65-99) Everything except my HDL34(>39) was awesome.
but the claim is I can lower my IGF-1 (which might do nothing, but maker for my fed vs starvation state) and get all those benefits if I fast a few times a week...

so my question is
is there any benefit to fasting vs a normal dieting?
3-6 meals a day getting 1200 calories.day/8400/week
vs
1 meal day getting 1200 calories.day/8400/week
-both dieters do the same workouts, same cardio eat the same food

That show/book suggest that 1meal will lower insulin, lower IGF-1, make me immune to disease, and other stuff

My next blood test will be after I have lost more fat and Im going to eat 1 meal a day and see what happens.

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