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so, i went to the urologist today to do a sort of "ultrasound" of my penis, to check plumbing, etc.

for historical purposes, as some of you know, when i first got here i had low T of around 200 ng/dl. After 6 weeks on Clomiphene, i am over 630 ng/dl. So that's great

But, as part of being thorough, he wanted to check the health of my penile arteries, vessels, etc etc.

So, to do this, they stick a small (whew!) needle in your penis (little painful), which contains a drug that supposedly makes it hard, so they can get solid arterial flow, pronounced veins, etc to do the ultrasound . It was extremely awkward, at least for me. The guy in the office (not my urologist) that does this is a nice guy, and tries to make you comfortable, but man, i wasn't having it. He gave me the shot, then a playboy (ha!), and said "relax, i'll be back in a couple minutes." so, i could kind of feel the drug work, and then manually stimulated myself and indeed i was hard pretty quick... But as soon as he would open the door again, and i'd stop stimulating, i would go pretty soft, even with this drug in me.

In fact, the first time he walked in, he was like "oh, not much going on there...umm...i'll give you a couple more minutes." As if that wouldn't make me even more anxious! either way, the process kept repeating itself. He'd try and give me "more time," which just left me alone with my anxious thoughts. But yes when he'd leave the room, i'd get hard with manual stimulation, but then he'd come back in, try and do the ultrasound, and i'd soften up, making it difficult to get a reading. And yes - i will give myself a break here - i mean, the fact that i can't stay hard around a guy walking in and being around me while i'm essentially masturbating is not that big a deal or something to worry about *too* much  :)

BUT....BUT! - it really spoke to a certain truth about me in really all other situations, even with my wife. I can get very hard with manual stimulation. As soon as i stop manually stimulating, goes soft very quickly. And getting erections to begin with just a visual or mental thought, and no stimulation? rarely, if ever. I hadn't thought about that really, until today. When the hell was the last time i just "thought" and got a woodie? ugh...don't even know.

So - essentially the ultrasound confirmed it - venous leakage. They said my arteries are in amazing shape, no damage at all from cycling,  i'm super healthy, it's just that the arteries and blood vessels just can't hold the blood long enough for a sustained erection without stimulation. So while it's great that i eat all this raw cocao, POM juice, etc, that's not my problem. My blood rushes in fine, my arteries, blood pressure, etc are in "superior health" (his words)....i JUST CAN'T keep the blood in there for a good enough period of time. It flows in and out...

here is the interesting part - The urologist said he thinks that the low T could be, or IS - at the very least partially responsible or wholly responsible for this. Testosterone helps that area in ways i can't remember now (always forget what docs say!)..And that, it may take many months to try and get at least partially "right," or get some improvement in those vessels/muscles/ etc...

So, basically, now i know why i really struggle if i'm interrupted when having sex, or we stop to "try" and change positions (which we don't even do anymore). I just lose it. My wife loves to be on top, and i just can never even go there. I'm going to have a long talk with her tonight...i really hate having this be a "thing" in my marriage, but i want to be honest with her, and let her know "why." And - i think that actually takes some pressure off myself. I don't know.

So the big thing, too -  this is a reminder of just what low T can do....guys - treat it!!! this really makes me mad that i didn't try and take care of this a lot earlier. i just suspect i've "lived" with this for a long time.

Also a reminder that the low T journey is just that - a journey. My T level is obviously great now, but it's clear that symptomatically, it can take a long time for that side to "catch up." It's a reminder to me that, while it's great that my levels rose, i'm clearly not out of the woods. I truly hope my body continues to heal, internally.

I need to search this site on venous leakage content, but if anyone wants to chime in, great. I'm a little freaked out, but in some ways liberated to know "why."

There is not a heck of a lot that can be done beyond the viagras and cialasis of the world i guess, until (hopefully), my raised T levels help heal this. He gave me a handful of free viagra samples. Yay. But whatever helps, great, i guess.

UGH.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2012, 06:24:19 pm by starry »

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Well, I have good news:  the studies show that men who restore their testosterone do generally get significant restoration of erectile strength back as the months roll by with testosterone therapy.  Here's a page with a few studies on it for example:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/venous_leakage

So you probably will have to be patient.  And, yes, low testosterone tends to atrophy the internals of the penis:  it literally withers blood vessels, nerves, connective tissue, etc.  Again, though, you should be able to build a lot of that back up.

Btw, I know struggling with venous leakage is miserable, but it is good what he said about the arteries - seriously.  Congrats on that part of it all.

Question:  is your blood pressure under 120/80?  And have you used the Neogenis Nitric Oxide test strips?
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thanks Peak. i'm a little depressed today, but need to try and not aggravate it by stressing or worrying too much. I told my wife, and she just says "it's ok, it's no big deal," etc etc..which is nice, and might ease any anxiety when we try, but obviously as an otherwise healthy and vital guy, of course it's not ok for us men!

as you said, patience is key it seems. It's been just over 2 months on Clomiphene, so i hope my levels continue to rise a bit over the next couple months, into the 700/800 range. Or even staying at 630 might help reverse some of the damage. He wants me tested again august 21.

I can't remember my blood pressure, but they always say "perfect" when they take it. They never say "eh, little high," or "eh, a little low."

But maybe i should find the exact number.

I DO have some of those strips. I tried one or two, it and showed my NO level i think in the "normal" range. It's a little hard for me to distinguish the pink in that range to the supposedly lighter pink in the "low" range. I think it's showed me at both "low" and "normal."

Any other suggestions appreciated. I'm definitely going to kick in again on the kegels. i'd sort of stopped on those, but they might help it seems. what's the best routine? every day? every other day? 4 sets of 10?

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My two cents:  you want that blood pressure below 120/80.  So get yourself a good home monitor - not one of the wrist ones - and make sure you are under this if at all possible.  Some studies show prehypertension can be a problem, so get it under control.  It's very hard on the bod.

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And as far as Kegels:  they usually recommend 3 sets of 10 done throughout the day.  Kind of like weights, eh?
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every day or every other? ie, do those muscles need a rest, just like when you do chest, etc.

thanks

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Supposedly daily.  However, some guys feel Kegels cause problems; some feel they do nothing; and some think they make a huge difference.  What I'm getting at is that it seems very individual.
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Peak - should i also sort of try to "introduce" erections maybe a little more frequently throughout the day? like, a few times...

and then sort of try to "hold them" when i stop the manual part of it?

have to imagine the blood flow is always good, and maybe if i can do that - just attempt to hold them longer without manual stimulation, then maybe i am building those tissues/muscles back up a bit?

thanks

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Peak - should i also sort of try to "introduce" erections maybe a little more frequently throughout the day? like, a few times...

and then sort of try to "hold them" when i stop the manual part of it?

have to imagine the blood flow is always good, and maybe if i can do that - just attempt to hold them longer without manual stimulation, then maybe i am building those tissues/muscles back up a bit?

thanks

If you're not getting morning erections, then logic says this should help.  It's all about oxygenation...
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thanks Peak...figure i'll try and do it, even though it's not as easy to get "fired up" for erections as it once was like 10 years ago or whatever...:) There is just not a lot i've found around treatments for venous leakage....i know i'm hoping for my now higher 600's level T (hopefully even higher by now!) to assist in repairing my plumbing/leaking vessels, but as we've mentioned (as well as my doc), that can take a fair amount of time (if at all!)...so i'm just looking for other ways...

so far, i guess i have kegels, ensuring i get a couple of good erections a day, and continuing with my pomegranite juice, cacao, the ginseng in my green tea, my trail running, biking, and lifting 2/3 times a week, etc.

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Wow!  Well, if that doesn't do it, then next stop is Lourdes, eh?

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Ha! you mean the pilgrimage site? jeesh i hope i'm not that desperate!

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Just kidding - I just meant you are doing everything humanly possible and you are quite impressive.  Keep up the good work!

Have you had the experience of friends and family wondering what is wrong with you yet?  It's kind of strange, but once you try to live a reasonably health lifestyle, everyone thinks you're quite literally crazy.
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Peak - should i also sort of try to "introduce" erections maybe a little more frequently throughout the day? like, a few times...

and then sort of try to "hold them" when i stop the manual part of it?

have to imagine the blood flow is always good, and maybe if i can do that - just attempt to hold them longer without manual stimulation, then maybe i am building those tissues/muscles back up a bit?

thanks

Starry...that defo helped for me a while back ..but it was also a qustion I asked Peak T before.. Is there a limit on how many erections you can have a day without depleting NO reserves?.. ie you may have a healthy first few and keep them for a bit...then it may be down to your NO reserves as well as other factors...not sure even if you have super healthy levels of NO if there is a limit on how many boners you can give yourself in a day!?...and if NO levels effect the length of time you can retain?

Congrats on the T levels!!..Great  the fact your T levels are now healthy means repairing /healing will be speeded up along with all the other good stuff you are doing....the pom juice, ginseng  I also think helps. Remember the vits...and personally muira puarma rates with me to get fired up!

BTW I think kegels help ..muscle training afterall ( but it seems to vary with people)

I have also found recently that abstaining for at least 4 days and training daily gives me more energy and defo makes me feel hornier..but I guess that could be another thread...


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Just kidding - I just meant you are doing everything humanly possible and you are quite impressive.  Keep up the good work!

Have you had the experience of friends and family wondering what is wrong with you yet?  It's kind of strange, but once you try to live a reasonably health lifestyle, everyone thinks you're quite literally crazy.

Ha! yes, absolutely....that's so funny. Probably more so on the endocrine disruptor front, and changing all my lotions, hair products, etc to paraben free, etc...I think they thought i was going overboard, but then an article like that one in NY Times comes along, and suddenly folks sit up and take notice. That wasn't you're run of the mill enviro magazine like Sierra Magazine (great magazine that has been talking about this for years, but i think their voice can get lost to those folks that are like "eh those green people are nuts")...this was NY Times, and it said the words "hormone disruptors."

Spidey, great questions. maybe there is a fine line between too little and too many...Peak might say it depends on if you're getting nocturnal/morning erections...i do sometimes.

Thanks regarding the T levels. A few weeks back the reading was 627. Will be interested to find out what it's at, at the end of August, when i go back in again, to see where i stand. And yes it took me time to sort of realize that it's not a situation where you go "hey i hit 627 after 5.5 weeks on clomid! i'm all good and cured. next?" doesn't really work that way - seems it will take months at that level to have things hopefully normalize/get better/heal, etc. That seems to be what i'm realizing.
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