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FightLowT

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I haven't been here in a while and I wanted to post this thread as a means to bring all of our thoughts together which will hopefully make the mystery of declining T levels in males living in modernized societies less of a brain-twister. Most of us here have become from what I can tell very educated from our experiences regarding low-t and it would be invaluable to get everyone's thoughts. I think this thread will prove to be very entertaining as well and I will start it off as best I can.

Here are my reasons. I decided to use an either surplus or deficiency description of the reasons to make things more simple and a hopefully brief summary of how they relate.

Economic factor:
-Over-worked
-Under-paid
-Over-stressed

*Most of us here in the USA have been dealing with stagnant pay rates for the last 4-5 years without any increases in pay to compensate for cost of living inflations. Not only have pay rates remained virtually motionless during these last 5 years but for quite some time now the standard of living in America has declined drastically from what it was in the 1970's. I remember listening to a psychologist once that stated something very insightful. He said "poverty is not necessarily something that harms the health of people , but the perception that you are poor is another story as to the effects it has on the mental health of a group of people".

Cultural factor:
-Over-marketed
-Over-sexed (mentally)
-Under-sexed (physically)
-Over-tech'd
-Over-materialized
-Under-socialized(family,friends,loved ones)

*Remember the movie Fight Club? The book was good too. Tyler Durden( Brad Pitt) had a little speech he gave to the members of the fight club. He said " Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man; no purpose or place. We have no Great War, no Great Depression. Our Great War is a spiritual war. Our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised by television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires and movie gods and rock stars. But we won't; and we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off". This is a very profound critique of adertising in my opinion. We face so much adoration for materialism in our culture that it has warped our value system. People become less important and things become items of obsession. We chase items instead of chasing each other. Sex is marketed to us everywhere. With the "help" of the pornography industry men's perception of themselves as a sexual being has been reduced to anything but realistic. We are told that we are inadequte if we cannot perform for lengthy periods of time for multiple sessions throughout the day with erections that cannot be knocked down with a 10 pound hammer. Unfortunately women have also believed this fallacy and begin to question whether their significant other is up-to par. The unrealistic pressure to perform at this level places an insurmountable amount of stress on today's males in the bedroom. On top of all these things more pressure than ever before exists based on the context that a man should be lean ( sub 10% bodyfat), muscular, and have a full head of hair.

Technology has made communication over-proficient and people have far more accessibility to each other than ever before. The only problem with it is that it is making us far more apart than what we had hoped for. This is especially evident with the younger generations who seem to be more content to speak to one another through a device than to do it in person. Facebook and other avenues seem to be fueling the fires of infidelity at alarming rates. cheating now seems to be the norm. For most of us the temptation to message an old flame on facebook is too great. What starts off as a harmless message turns into full on flirting and then before you know it an affair is born (emotional affairs are still cheating). It's so easy for people to do this now they just cannot refrain from the temptation. This may sound like an overgeneralization but it's almost as if marketing has told us that the celebrity lifestyle is worth living at any cost. If your partner isn't cutting it financially, sexually, physically, etc..then just like anything else that can be bought, just go out and get another one and throw the current one away. They aren't people afterall. They are just a thing on the other end of another thing you hold in your hand. Don't worry about communicating with your partner about any little difficulty or tribulation that surfaces in your relationship. All you have to do is look at the divorce rates. I'll ask a question. What happens to a society when most of its people cannot properly trust one another? Trust that we are answering that question more and more everyday in our own lives.

Enviromental factors:
-Under-nutrition
-Over-toxified
-Over-medicated

*To Be continued

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Excellent FightlowT and so true!...The media,advertising ,web,communications, trash reality TV, etc are all giving out the wrong messages to this and the next generation...be someone...or be nothing. Today more than ever you have to be seen to be beautiful, intelligent, multi talented, fit and gernerally one of the elite.
Yip all the kids now want  to be a celebrity when they grow up...after all that is a job right?Facebook also seems to be a good place for people to post "look how good my life is going  " where usually the reality is far different...
Too many "sit in the bedroom kids" today dreaming of being something they see online or on TV ....the need for material things seems to be overwhelming and as you say socalising for real seems to be a thing of the past...Innocence is lost and todays teenagers are now happy to put their own sexual encounters online and on their phone, helped along of course by the "celebrities"  they adore who have all done it before.
Don't be surprised if the next big reality show is Porn Idol...

No more time to write could be here for hours..

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The mental aspect of testosterone is huge.  And you just did a great summary of many of the psychological factors that can suppress it. 

Of course, you know me:  I also think there are huge physical factors (xenoextrogens, obesogons, excitotoxins, endocrine disruptors, etc.) that are at play as well.  But well said!
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BIG +1 to your cultural critique. Sad to say, for the most part, it is only so true.

well done.

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Enviromental factors:
-Under-nutrition
-Over-toxified
-Over-medicated

* We all know what kind of "food" is offered on a daily basis in the United States. Burger joints, pizza parlors, soft drinks, snack foods, etc..Is this what our ancestors consumed? I think not. Food additives and preservatives are integrated into 90% of products found in today's grocery stores. If this is not enough most of these foods contain gmo's courtesy from companies like monsanto ( I don't capitalize their name because they don't deserve that simple respect). Simply put, if corn has been genetically altered to contain its own pesticides to thwart off insects, what does that do for humans who consume it? This is just one example among thousands of which we are unaware. These foods have been designed to grow when inadequate nutrients are found within the soil and when those nutrients are not necessary for growth to occur they are not going to be found within the end crop people consume and leads to nutrient deficiencies.

The beef industry has been pumping cattle for years with hormones and antibiotics. Watch the movie Food Inc. and you will see that these cows do not graze on grass like nature intended. They walk knee deep in grassless fields made up of  their own fecal matter and mud. When cows can no longer walk due to illnesses they are called "downer cows" and the beef industry has no restraint  in using fork lifts to push these animals into the slaughter houses when they are too unhealthy to walk to them. Finaplix is a common drug used in the cattle industry to promote quick lean body mass increases whch is injected into the cows as a pellet. Another name for it is trenbolone. Not surprisingly it is a common drug used in bodybuilding circles for its drastic results. It is a highly supressive drug to the HPTA and causes sterility and prolactin increases among users. How then if these metabolites are being administred on the cells, tissues, and endocrine systems of cattle are they not going to be effected on the endocrine systems of humans who consume these animals. I absolutely gurantee that more than"trace" amounts of this compound are being consumed by people who eat the flesh of these animals and as a result our endocrine systems are being knocked out of balance.

Plastics are everywhere. What is commonly found in plastics? Bisphenol a...Read about it if you don't already know. It's an oestrogen and has been time and time again shown to be an endocrine disrupter. It's in the bottles of water you drink, the canned vegetables you eat, its everywhere.

Let's take a brief look at medications. So if you are already depressed due to low sex drive, mood disorders, low energy, and everything else that goes hand in hand with low testosterone, let's just go ahead and take something that will make the body unhealthier and mask the thought processes which are necessary to be aware of a problem. Here are where SSRI anti depressants come into play. They are harmless right?  Because my doctor wants to put me on one and he seems to think this will be the solution to my problems. After all they are FDA approved so what harm can they do? I mean the FDA is clearly looking out for our best interests arent they? SSRI's are known to supress HpTa activity and lower sex drive in males and have shown to lower libido in women as well. I know because I took zoloft for one year and will never take it again. During that time i was 21 years old and I really did not notice the difference in sex drive mainly because i was not having sex at the time. Maybe I would have been having sex if i were not taking the zoloft... :-[..In my mind i thought everything was ok except for the fact that it was strating to become increasingly more difficult to ejaculate. Serotonin is vitally important for the maintenance and fulfillment of pleasure centers within the brain while doing things that promote pleasurable sensations. SSRI's alter brain chemistry. Look up the effects SSRI's have on HPTA function in males. It isn't pretty.... Some men recover their HPTA function to within baseline values upon cessation of treatment while others are not so fortunate. I think it depends on the duration of usage as well.

*In summary it's almost as if we are being assaulted from every conceivable angle as far as what is most effective at lowering testosterone levels rather than raising them. It has been shown in men that testosterone promotes happiness and well being and in turn happiness promotes yet more testosterone and the cycle continues onward. I strongly believe that so many of us are unhappy from a sociological stand-point with work, relationships, daily life. etc.. that this is causing a phenomenol drop-off in reward/fulfillment processes within the brians of men which contribute to happiness and healthy testosterone levels. If this were not enough then couple it with the enviromental factors of low nutrional indexed foods, toxins/pestides, and chemicals which work together as a potent cocktail or "perfect" storm to wreck havoc on optimal sex hormone levels crucial for optimal health.

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I took Seroxat (Paxil) and it made ejaculation impossible in many cases. I believe I have been permanently affected by this drug in terms of sexual function. It also caused constipation and nightly night sweats. On Zooloft I had morning sickness. I now refuse to use those drugs.

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*In summary it's almost as if we are being assaulted from every conceivable angle as far as what is most effective at lowering testosterone levels rather than raising them.

I'd like to say that you were exaggerating, but I cannot. 

Notice that your arguments almost universally apply to cardiovascular disease, mental health, endothelial health, skin health and last, but not least mind you, erectile strength...

I can see you chose your name wisely, brother FightLowT.
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Is the attack all on men, or are women in any way also suffering? Call me paranoid, but it seems as if the male sex is under great attack in these times - whether it be his hormones or his career, men are assailed by a culture which zaps his hormones, and by feminists who want to push him out of the workplace.

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Brilliantly said again FLT...I was just discussing the importance of the HPTA functioning properly with Peak T in a message...It needs to be totally balanced for all to be good in your body...check out some of the cases on this site...http://cure-erectile-dysfunction.org/...a lot of young dudes posting...Chronic inflammation seems to be the other big hitter on there..

Your summary says it all...Positive outlook equals more T and happiness and we all know Low T equals negative outlook and unhappiness...

It is difficult enough for people living normal  lives with optimium T levels. For most of us on here it is an everyday battle try and remain positive despite our situations. Doing as much as we can to keep our levels up, HRT, taking supplements, eating right, nutrients, excercising,  trying to stay happy at work when not feeling that good, keeping the kids/ wives/partners  happy, avoiding the junk which takes our levels even lower....and we have to because we have no choice..most of us have been depressed and cannot afford to even think about going there again...

Impossible to rely on the medical community...apart from the sparse few good docs..they are cluless, arrogant, impatient and non sympathetic.

The reality is that  Low T effects every aspect of your life, takes some of the colors away and the music just doesn't sound the same anymore....

The good news is though most of us are much better for the positive things and steps we have taken because of this site and everyone elses feedback ...and it is about doing positive things to make your mindset as positive as it can be... As you mentioned FLT "Serotonin is vitally important for the maintenance and fulfillment of pleasure centers within the brain while doing things that promote pleasurable sensations"...there is no doubt brain chemistry is altered because of Low T You need that feel good feeling back...

You battle or give up and most of us have climbed from the abyss...Lets keep that positve momentum going...bring it on... :)

Look forward to your next post FLT...!

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The pill. It gets into the drinking water, thus affecting men:

The fertility of a generation of men is being put at risk because a hormone found in the Pill is getting into drinking water, scientists fear.
Pollution due to the chemical, a powerful form of oestrogen, is causing up to half the male fish in our lowland rivers to change sex, research shows.
Experts believe the hormone could be getting into drinking water and affecting men's sperm counts. They say sewage treatment does not remove the chemical entirely from drinking supplies, although the water industry insists there is no evidence of a risk to health.
A study to be published by the Environment Agency later this month says entire fish stocks in some stretches of water are irreversibly affected. Scientists believe the synthetic oestrogen can feminise-fish at levels as low as one part per billion.
Professor Charles Tyler, one of the leaders of the research, told BBC1's Countryfile: 'Some of the concentrations where we are seeing effects on fish are below the detection limit in place for testing our drinking water. So we cannot be sure that some of these compounds aren't getting into our drinking water.'
The study on roach stocks from ten rivers found nearly half of male fish had eggs in their testes or female reproductive ducts. A tenth were sterile and another quarter had damaged sperm.
Dr Susan Jobling, from the research team, said: 'There are very real reasons to be worried about whether male reproductive health could also be affected.'
The discovery that half the male fish in Britain's rivers are changing sex - and that the hormone responsible may be getting into drinking water - is just the latest example of how nature can give us nasty surprises.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-105466/Fertility-timebomb-drinking-water.html#ixzz1x3UU5AOT
« Last Edit: June 06, 2012, 10:35:24 pm by Dermotm55 »

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Here's a few others:

Inflammation, aluminum, hypoglycemia and other lifestyle factors fry neurons by the millions leaving a man with less dopamine and other neurotransmitters as the years go by.

Increased rates of obesity lead to a shutdown of gnrh and secondary hypogonadism thus increases.

Yoyo dieting slams testosterone levels during the weight loss phase.

 

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