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Re: ROLL CALL: Depression
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2012, 03:46:11 am »
Prsartist:  Very sorry to hear it.  So, if I can ask, were they just doing a biopsy or were they actually removing some cancerous tissue?  I got the impression they did both?
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Re: ROLL CALL: Depression
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2012, 04:33:36 am »
It was a small cyst. To risky to do needle biopsy (could easily spread it), they generally observe them and look for signs. Then remove them then biopsy.
They (and I) suspected it probably was.

They think they got it all, but they have their eye on a few other things more closely now.
Something I will likely be tested for the rest of my life..
These things can come back at any time..

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Re: ROLL CALL: Depression
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Re: ROLL CALL: Depression
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2012, 01:36:42 pm »
Gotcha.  Well, sounds like you're okay for now - glad to hear it...
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Re: ROLL CALL: Depression
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2012, 03:50:00 am »
It sounds like you are going through a rough time in your life healthwise . Your feelings are justified as I would be . No one likes health problems and the feeling of our own mortality. That's why it's so important to live each day the way you choose it. My wife just asked me recently what's on my bucket list? I said I have done most everything I wanted to do. So I gave it some thought. Run with the Bulls!  Sounds like a T boost huh?  ;)

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Re: ROLL CALL: Depression
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Re: ROLL CALL: Depression
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2012, 04:56:31 am »
Well I do feel a little better today, I'm actually looking forward to my 3rd T injection Wednesday
As Im sure with my blood loss my levels are near pitiful again.

Ive been going through feeling lousy for years with no relief!
I had given up hope before finding this site,  I'm glad I found a dr.
Who actually listened to me as I don't know how much strength I would of had to keep perusing
It!  I just hope I can salvage some kind of rewarding life out of the years
I have left...

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Re: ROLL CALL: Depression
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2012, 02:22:16 pm »
Well I do feel a little better today, I'm actually looking forward to my 3rd T injection Wednesday
As Im sure with my blood loss my levels are near pitiful again.

Ive been going through feeling lousy for years with no relief!
I had given up hope before finding this site,  I'm glad I found a dr.
Who actually listened to me as I don't know how much strength I would of had to keep perusing
It!  I just hope I can salvage some kind of rewarding life out of the years
I have left...

Hang in there as, assuming the doc significantly boosts your T (and injections should do it), you'll steadily feel better almost for sure.  There's not guarantee, of course, but usually HRT therapy does make a difference in mood.  You should notice anxiety, depressive feelings, libido and so on improving.  Of course, you have a lot going on, but I'm just pointing out that many on the board have had of these improved through HRT and there's no reason to think you will not also.

Question:  how often are you getting the injections?
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Re: ROLL CALL: Depression
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2012, 02:26:53 pm »
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Re: ROLL CALL: Depression
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2012, 02:43:31 pm »
Gotcha.  Weekly is better so just checking...
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Re: ROLL CALL: Depression
« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2015, 03:22:34 pm »
I know this is an old thread but I felt compelled to add my 2 cents.

1.  Do you think that low testosterone caused your depression or the other way around?

I am quite certain that low testosterone caused my severe depression and anxiety. I first started getting tired all the time, and weak in the gym. I had my T tested and it was low, but no doctor I saw would do anything about the T problem. Over a period of 3-4 years, I declined to being a complete nightmare. I wasn't myself, was severely depressed and had panic attacks. I eventually ended up in psychiatry and told the psychiatrist that I had low T. He told me that low T can definitely cause anxiety and depression, but not necessarily the other way around. He said they have thousands of men with clinical depression and anxiety with normal T levels. That being said, it took me YEARS and paying for a private doctor before I could start T treatment. I've been on HRT for about 6 weeks now and am seeing some improvement, but it's slow.


2.  Do you think that any meds you were taking for depression created any kind of sexual dysfunctions?

Definitely. I was on 5 different anti-depressants and they all made me sick as a dog. Nausea, vomiting, hospital visits, dilated pupils and hospital visits. I had depersonalization/derealization that would make your head spin. Not only that, but these medications total messed up my digestive system for months.

I was also on three different benzodiazepines for the anxiety and these had serious emotional effects. I felt a loss of cognitive ability and complete apathy. I also had serious lack of inhibition which lead to some unfortunate consequences.

3.  Any tips for guys going through the same thing?  Did anything make a big difference?  (For some of you it may be testosterone!)

This all started slowly and progressed into an absolute nightmare. The entire time, we knew my T was low by several tests, but nothing was ever done about it. The psychiatric route absolutely made everything worse for me.

My advice: Listen to your body. You know the difference between feeling a little down or discouraged and "holy crap, my body and mind are completely falling apart here". If you feel weak, tired, depressed, anxious and you were not that way before, something has changed and it may not just be in your head. Get a couple of testosterone tests (more than one is good to confirm). Don't let your doctor tell you that you're "normal" because you score 310 when the range is 300-1000. You need to take into consideration your age when looking at these numbers. For guys 30-50 years old, you're wanting around 500-1000. If your T is low, try lifestyle changes to boost your T naturally (exercise, diet, etc) then retest. If your still low and symptoms persist, and certainly if you are over 40 years old, go to a HRT clinic where the doctors specialize in this area. They will do the proper testing and follow up. Most doctors, including endocrinologists and urologists, have no idea about low T and it's devastating effects, nor how to treat you properly, you will be turned away and eventually end up in a psychiatrists office, then the true hell will begin.

Most importantly, DONT GIVE UP. Tell yourself every day that you are in a trial and there will eventually be a solution. Keep pushing and searching.
Age 48, 5'10" 185lbs, from Canada

Symptoms: Anxiety, abdominal bloating/cramps/tenderness, fatigue, weakness, insomnia.

Rx treatment:
10/21/2015: NOTHING
10/15/2015: 120mg Testosterone cream
9/11/2015: 100mg Testosterone cream, 10/5/2.5mg Cortef
8/1/2015: 100mg Testosterone cream
7/23/2015: 100mg Testosterone cream, 15mg Thyroid
6/30/2015: 100mg Testosterone Cypionate/week, 0.5mg Arimidex 2x/week

Recent Tests March 2016:
T 234 ng/dl (297-850)
E2 19 pg/ml (<54)
SHBG 0.23 (0.20-1.00)
DHEAS 11.8 umol/L (<14.0)
TSH 4.63 mU/L (0.2-4.0)
Free T3: 6.2 pmol/L (3.5-6.5)
Free T4: 16.2 pmol/L (9.0-23.0)
Cortisol AM 279 nmol/L (120-620)
Cortisol PM 166 nmol/L (85-460)

Previous Tests:
T (300-1100ng/dl): 579>507>182>300>369>234
E2 (<54pg/ml): 72>59>43>28>25>19

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Re: ROLL CALL: Depression
« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2015, 05:36:40 pm »
I suspect I've had lowish testosterone all my life, though I didn't get tested until a year ago (low end of normal in Spring 2014, definitely below normal in Spring 2015).  And I've had mild depression off and on---never to the point of taking SSRI's, but I've taken St John's Wort for years.  With a lifetime of this, it's impossible to know which caused the other.

I'd encourage the moderator to ask a similar question about anxiety rather than depression.  Anxiety has been a bigger feature of my life than depression, particularly in the last few years.  Again, I'm lacking testosterone data from more than 1.5 years ago, but "something" started happening 3-4 years ago---for example, I developed a fear of air travel, having flown with pleasure for 25 years previously.  Similarly with increasing anxiety about being far from home, or about being in confined spaces from which I couldn't immediately escape. And I grew increasingly overwhelmed, intellectually and emotionally, by tasks at work which previously I'd embraced.  Then when life really gave me things to be anxious about in the last half year, I fell apart (emotionally and T-level).  I developed libido/ED problems in May (which of course doesn't help with anxiety!) but mercifully started TRT (compounded cream) in early July.  It's hasn't solved all my problems (just about lost my mind being stuck in an hours-long traffic jam a few weeks ago), and we're still adjusting dosages to get beyond the quite modest improvements in T levels, but the anxiety / sense-of-well-being situation is much improved.  I remember, just a week into TRT, being in a couple of situations where my mind told me, "This is the sort of situation that generates anxiety/panic in you," but my body simply wasn't producing anxious feelings.  It was uncanny.

As a follow-up:  I'm curious whether other posters got "early warning" of Low T via depression/anxiety, ahead of more obvious sexual issues like low libido or ED. 

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Re: ROLL CALL: Depression
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2015, 05:54:03 pm »
I suspect I've had lowish testosterone all my life, though I didn't get tested until a year ago (low end of normal in Spring 2014, definitely below normal in Spring 2015).  And I've had mild depression off and on---never to the point of taking SSRI's, but I've taken St John's Wort for years.  With a lifetime of this, it's impossible to know which caused the other.

I'd encourage the moderator to ask a similar question about anxiety rather than depression.  Anxiety has been a bigger feature of my life than depression, particularly in the last few years.  Again, I'm lacking testosterone data from more than 1.5 years ago, but "something" started happening 3-4 years ago---for example, I developed a fear of air travel, having flown with pleasure for 25 years previously.  Similarly with increasing anxiety about being far from home, or about being in confined spaces from which I couldn't immediately escape. And I grew increasingly overwhelmed, intellectually and emotionally, by tasks at work which previously I'd embraced.  Then when life really gave me things to be anxious about in the last half year, I fell apart (emotionally and T-level).  I developed libido/ED problems in May (which of course doesn't help with anxiety!) but mercifully started TRT (compounded cream) in early July.  It's hasn't solved all my problems (just about lost my mind being stuck in an hours-long traffic jam a few weeks ago), and we're still adjusting dosages to get beyond the quite modest improvements in T levels, but the anxiety / sense-of-well-being situation is much improved.  I remember, just a week into TRT, being in a couple of situations where my mind told me, "This is the sort of situation that generates anxiety/panic in you," but my body simply wasn't producing anxious feelings.  It was uncanny.

As a follow-up:  I'm curious whether other posters got "early warning" of Low T via depression/anxiety, ahead of more obvious sexual issues like low libido or ED.

Start a thread please.  You'll word it better than I will.
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Re: ROLL CALL: Depression
« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2015, 06:12:49 pm »
Huh.  I was just thinking about this very subject.

I didn't notice anything wrong with me until the sudden onset of ED in early May.  I'm sure that my extremely low T at the time must have had something to do with it (although to be fair, I didn't get my T tested until maybe three weeks later, at which point my panic about the sudden severe ED might have affected my T levels, from what I'm hearing).

I've never been what I'd call depressed before - although I'm using my ex-wife as a yardstick here, and she had chronic severe depression that required multiple hospitalizations, ECT treatments, etc.  the closest I've come were my divorce (involving an infant child) and some horrible horrible classes I taught about four years back (city high school classes where a student threatened to shoot me, I was assaulted twice by students, and every other student was an alphabet soup of behavior disorders). 

Recently I think I have become depressed, and this was made more clear to me last week when I doubled my Clomid dose and felt normal for about a week (Arimidex might have helped).  ED all but disappeared, and I felt great.  It didn't last, sadly.

However, there's a case that could be made that I'm really just emotionally labile.  For example, I was just out shopping with my wife, and in the liquor store (we have company coming tonight) I literally went from going around a corner to weep in peace for a moment to feeling high as a kite in the space of five to ten minutes.  I explained this to my wife (who is herself a doc) with a bit of irritation but also an urging to talk to me lots now because I'm feeling great for some reason.  Understand that I have never been on mess for depression or any other psychological issue (my mother had schizophrenia so I was worried about developing that and kept an eye on myself until about age 30 or so).

So, if I have depression, it was almost certainly brought on by low T, or perhaps just Clomid.  Or ED, because generally speaking when my erections are working well I'm feeling good.  Who knows?

Peak is completely right that a good woman is an important part of feeling better.  When my wife comes home and I put my head in her lap on the couch, I seem to instantly feel a lot better.
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5'7", was 220 pounds when trouble started, now down to 165
Trouble began with abrupt ED Early May '15
Initial T level 130
Started Clomid in hopes of rebooting system June '15
Currently taking 25 mg eod and .25 mg Arimidex every 4 days
T level 480 or so at last reading
ED in check with 2.5 mg Cialis eod and supplements:
POM juice, L-Cit, Pycnogenol

Morning anxiety currently in check with GABA taken every night

Biggest current worry is heart health:
Aortic stenosis (very mild for now)
CAC score 156(!) at age 42
Lp(a) is a shockingly bad 390 nmol/L -- TRIPLE the "extremely high risk" level!
Homozygous for the bad "G" variant of SNP rs10455872, which increases Lp(a) as well as odds for aortic stenosis and coronary artery lesions. 
I think I know what trashed my heart...

40 mg Crestor and baby aspirin every day
CoQ-10, Vitamin K2, and Kyolic Aged Garlic Extract every day too
Walking 10,000 steps a day

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Re: ROLL CALL: Depression
« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2015, 06:54:42 pm »
1.  Do you think that low testosterone caused your depression or the other way around?
Since this is my first post, I'd like to say that I will eventually get around to introducing myself.  I started TRT on May 10, and I may have something to contribute to the forum, and you can help me (I hope!)

To answer the question, I can't say, for sure.  I hate to admit it, but I have taken antidepressants, extensively, for many years.  Nothing has helped, so far.  My TRT, to date, has done nothing for my depression, irritability, lack of libido, and unusual weakness.  But, it's early.  I've had six injections in 12 weeks (200mg testosterone cypionate).
2.  Do you think that any meds you were taking for depression created any kind of sexual dysfunctions?
Absolutely!  The main sexual side effect, for me, was difficulty in reaching orgasm, or delayed orgasm.  For guys with premature ejaculation problems, I've read that some have been treated with an antidepressant.

It isnt working for you because your protocol sucks.  Switch to 100mg a week or 50 every 3.5 days.
3.  Any tips for guys going through the same thing?  Did anything make a big difference?  (For some of you it may be testosterone!)
The jury is still out.  I'm waiting for my latest blood test (total testosterone and free testosterone).  Unfortunately, after six injections, the only thing I've noticed is a return of early-morning erections, which were absent for a long time.

In summary, I will write more, later, on my experience with TRT.

Regards!

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Re: ROLL CALL: Depression
« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2015, 10:24:37 pm »
After testicular cancer, chemo, and surgeries. I decided to backpack india one month after the intire bunk of this "Bad choice, but did it anyway" Throughout my traveling i became more tired, coudent battle side effect and eventually started to shed some of the new hair growth i had.

Did bloodwork while travleing and believe numbers came in 290TT and FT 9nmol wich is shitty all over. Other hormones were off aswell.

I felt depressed, sad, none energetic and overall not worth living. Comming back to Denmark i managed to get my levels up to 16nmol wich is not low nor high... but i was ran over and beardloss affected me

Started TRT and got my life back!

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« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2015, 05:44:54 pm »
I was feeling like I was depressed at the first part of the year. Just seemed down a lot. Was also tired and fatigued. On 2 pumps of Androgel a day which is not enough but it put my bioavailabie and total T numbers "in range". Doc didn't want to have me do injections. ( I know, have go a different direction)


My PCP had me try Lexapro. Was on that for 3 months but didn't feel like it was helping me. It seemed to make me more lethargic. Zombie like at times. I've never had ED problems with the low T but on the Lexapro there was definitely an impact with delayed climax. Classic side effect of Lexapro.

I weaned off Lexapro and actually have felt a bit better since.
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Re: ROLL CALL: Depression
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