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HCG is a Godsend for Me
« on: February 25, 2014, 06:37:37 pm »
hey everyone mike here


i wrote last year about how oxycontin gave me severe secondary hypogonadism even after a few pills. after a few months i saw an endo who put me on 25 mg of clomid for 9 months, it helped somewhat, but hcg works great, erections and sex drive back x10
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Re: HCG is a Godsend for Me
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2014, 06:49:22 pm »
Quote from: apericubes on February 25, 2014, 06:37:37 pm
hey everyone mike here


i wrote last year about how oxycontin gave me severe secondary hypogonadism even after a few pills. after a few months i saw an endo who put me on 25 mg of clomid for 9 months, it helped somewhat, but hcg works great, erections and sex drive back x10

Hey, long time no see.  Glad all is well.  Supposedly, HCG stimulates pregnenalone - I saw a study that contradicted this - and so you could be getting a brain boost from this type of therapy.  And that may tie into some secondary effects from the oxycontin issues?  (Of course, testosterone/estradiol will give you a brain boost too if in range.)

Anyway, glad you're up and around.  Can you post your protocol/dosage/frequency and let us know what happened with your testosterone and estradiol if you have those #s?  (And if you are on Arimidex or an AI?)

Also, I can't remember:  did you try traditional HRT? 
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Re: HCG is a Godsend for Me
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2014, 06:49:22 pm »

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Re: HCG is a Godsend for Me
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2014, 06:53:36 pm »
The testicles hold the most responsibility for metabolizing Cholesterol into Pregnenolone. It stands to reason that stimulating the testicles with hCG would increase pregnenolone levels.  It's been shown to have anxiolytic and mood boosting effects.  Makes sense since Preg is an neuroactive steroid.
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Height - 6'4"
Weight - 240 lbs
Symptoms:  Brain/memory fog, low energy, trouble sleeping, weak erections, low libido

2/23/2015
Regimen: 12.5 mg Clomid daily, 2000 IUs Vit D3 daily

Total T – 310 (348.0-1197.0)
FSH – 2.0 (1.5-12.4 mIU/mL)
LH – 1.6 (1.8-12.0 mIU/L)
E2 – 15.1 (7.6-42.6 pg/mL)
Vitamin D3 – 20.3 (30-100 ng/mL)
Prolactin – 7.0 (2 - 18 ng/mL)
Free Testosterone - 54.4 (25-110)
SHGB - 15.2 (16.5-55.9 nmol/L)
DHT - 20 (30-85 ng/dL)

3/27/15 Labs - 50 mg Clomid/5000 IUs Vitamin D daily

Total T – 321 (348.0-1197.0)
FSH – 2.3 (1.5-12.4 mIU/mL)
LH – 6.9 (1.8-12.0 mIU/L)
E2 – 28.5 (7.6-42.6 pg/mL)
Vitamin D3 – 32.3 (30-100 ng/mL)
Prolactin – 11.0 (2 - 18 ng/mL)
Free T - 27.3 (25-110)
SHGB - 20.3 (16.5-55.9 nmol/L)
DHT - 22 (30-85 ng/dL)

6/4/15 Labs - 10 mg Tamoxifen/5000 IUs Vitamin D daily

Total T – 363 (348.0-1197.0)
FSH – 2.2 (1.5-12.4 mIU/mL)
LH – 3.8 (1.8-12.0 mIU/L)
Estradiol – 24.6 (7.6-42.6 pg/mL)
SHGB - 18.8 (16.5-55.9 nmol/L)
DHT - 26 (30-85 ng/dL)

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Re: HCG is a Godsend for Me
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2014, 08:25:11 pm »
Quote from: Zerozeroseven on February 25, 2014, 06:53:36 pm
The testicles hold the most responsibility for metabolizing Cholesterol into Pregnenolone. It stands to reason that stimulating the testicles with hCG would increase pregnenolone levels.  It's been shown to have anxiolytic and mood boosting effects.  Makes sense since Preg is an neuroactive steroid.

It upregulates the enzyme that converts chol to pregnenalone.
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Re: HCG is a Godsend for Me
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2014, 08:25:11 pm »

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Re: HCG is a Godsend for Me
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2014, 09:36:28 pm »
no bloodwork yetguys, after opiates libido was limited and erections small, now they are back, very full with big volume and i feel very on edge, youthful, great


hcg for me worked overnight compared to clomid which did get me healthy but took months and i still had some difficulty in the sex dept.


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Re: HCG is a Godsend for Me
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2014, 10:06:46 pm »
Quote from: apericubes on February 25, 2014, 09:36:28 pm
no bloodwork yetguys, after opiates libido was limited and erections small, now they are back, very full with big volume and i feel very on edge, youthful, great


hcg for me worked overnight compared to clomid which did get me healthy but took months and i still had some difficulty in the sex dept.

Well, great news.  You're probably the most enthusiastic HCG Monotherapy guy that we have had...
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Re: HCG is a Godsend for Me
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2014, 10:07:48 pm »
That tends to happen with clomid.  Opiates can cause low T with a lot of use so that's something to watch for.
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Age - 27
Height - 6'4"
Weight - 240 lbs
Symptoms:  Brain/memory fog, low energy, trouble sleeping, weak erections, low libido

2/23/2015
Regimen: 12.5 mg Clomid daily, 2000 IUs Vit D3 daily

Total T – 310 (348.0-1197.0)
FSH – 2.0 (1.5-12.4 mIU/mL)
LH – 1.6 (1.8-12.0 mIU/L)
E2 – 15.1 (7.6-42.6 pg/mL)
Vitamin D3 – 20.3 (30-100 ng/mL)
Prolactin – 7.0 (2 - 18 ng/mL)
Free Testosterone - 54.4 (25-110)
SHGB - 15.2 (16.5-55.9 nmol/L)
DHT - 20 (30-85 ng/dL)

3/27/15 Labs - 50 mg Clomid/5000 IUs Vitamin D daily

Total T – 321 (348.0-1197.0)
FSH – 2.3 (1.5-12.4 mIU/mL)
LH – 6.9 (1.8-12.0 mIU/L)
E2 – 28.5 (7.6-42.6 pg/mL)
Vitamin D3 – 32.3 (30-100 ng/mL)
Prolactin – 11.0 (2 - 18 ng/mL)
Free T - 27.3 (25-110)
SHGB - 20.3 (16.5-55.9 nmol/L)
DHT - 22 (30-85 ng/dL)

6/4/15 Labs - 10 mg Tamoxifen/5000 IUs Vitamin D daily

Total T – 363 (348.0-1197.0)
FSH – 2.2 (1.5-12.4 mIU/mL)
LH – 3.8 (1.8-12.0 mIU/L)
Estradiol – 24.6 (7.6-42.6 pg/mL)
SHGB - 18.8 (16.5-55.9 nmol/L)
DHT - 26 (30-85 ng/dL)

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Re: HCG is a Godsend for Me
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2014, 11:44:01 pm »
i know
i only did 20mg oxyneos for a week and it happened

why are they so widely used if they cause low test and sexual dysfunction? why isnt it more known? people keep their secerets hidden?
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2014, 02:11:47 pm »
Those are really good questions.  I would figure it's because not enough men report it and it just gets written off or ignored.  There definitely needs to be more research on pain management and reducing the side effects of meds for pain.
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Age - 27
Height - 6'4"
Weight - 240 lbs
Symptoms:  Brain/memory fog, low energy, trouble sleeping, weak erections, low libido

2/23/2015
Regimen: 12.5 mg Clomid daily, 2000 IUs Vit D3 daily

Total T – 310 (348.0-1197.0)
FSH – 2.0 (1.5-12.4 mIU/mL)
LH – 1.6 (1.8-12.0 mIU/L)
E2 – 15.1 (7.6-42.6 pg/mL)
Vitamin D3 – 20.3 (30-100 ng/mL)
Prolactin – 7.0 (2 - 18 ng/mL)
Free Testosterone - 54.4 (25-110)
SHGB - 15.2 (16.5-55.9 nmol/L)
DHT - 20 (30-85 ng/dL)

3/27/15 Labs - 50 mg Clomid/5000 IUs Vitamin D daily

Total T – 321 (348.0-1197.0)
FSH – 2.3 (1.5-12.4 mIU/mL)
LH – 6.9 (1.8-12.0 mIU/L)
E2 – 28.5 (7.6-42.6 pg/mL)
Vitamin D3 – 32.3 (30-100 ng/mL)
Prolactin – 11.0 (2 - 18 ng/mL)
Free T - 27.3 (25-110)
SHGB - 20.3 (16.5-55.9 nmol/L)
DHT - 22 (30-85 ng/dL)

6/4/15 Labs - 10 mg Tamoxifen/5000 IUs Vitamin D daily

Total T – 363 (348.0-1197.0)
FSH – 2.2 (1.5-12.4 mIU/mL)
LH – 3.8 (1.8-12.0 mIU/L)
Estradiol – 24.6 (7.6-42.6 pg/mL)
SHGB - 18.8 (16.5-55.9 nmol/L)
DHT - 26 (30-85 ng/dL)

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Re: HCG is a Godsend for Me
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2014, 12:00:51 am »
How many shots per week you take HCG? are you still on it?
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Re: HCG is a Godsend for Me
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2014, 01:45:33 am »
And what is your dose/shot? 500iu, 750iu, 1000iu??
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2014, 03:28:29 am »
first initial one was 2000 iu (we dissolved the 10 thousand IU puck with only half the bacteriostatic water , 5ml)

every 3 days i do 1000 iu, its really strong, way better than clomid

the last 2 doses will be 500 iu each, as my friend directed and endrocrinoligist concured today

apparently here in canada clomid is the favourite because its backed up by half a century of research, hcg isn't well studied for secondary hypogonadism


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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2014, 03:39:31 am »
Quote from: apericubes on February 28, 2014, 03:28:29 am
first initial one was 2000 iu (we dissolved the 10 thousand IU puck with only half the bacteriostatic water , 5ml)

every 3 days i do 1000 iu, its really strong, way better than clomid

the last 2 doses will be 500 iu each, as my friend directed and endrocrinoligist concured today

apparently here in canada clomid is the favourite because its backed up by half a century of research, hcg isn't well studied for secondary hypogonadism

Yeah, it works. I was using it up to the end of 2013. It is especially effective if you manage the estrogen. Now taking a break from it, as I was concerned about shutting off the pituitary LH indefinitely. Does your doctor consider it a short/medium-term treatment or does he want you to use it indefinitely (ie. like years)?

Also, there is a big difference between 500 and 1000iu...actually a world of difference...it can make the difference between a strong erection and a somewhat weak one. If you adjust the doses over time, you may not need 1000iu as you can block the estrogen from metabolizing which should also improve your testosterone. But it takes some trial and error I found.
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Re: HCG is a Godsend for Me
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2014, 04:12:39 am »
Quote from: davie12 on February 28, 2014, 03:39:31 am

Yeah, it works. I was using it up to the end of 2013. It is especially effective if you manage the estrogen. Now taking a break from it, as I was concerned about shutting off the pituitary LH indefinitely. Does your doctor consider it a short/medium-term treatment or does he want you to use it indefinitely (ie. like years)?

Also, there is a big difference between 500 and 1000iu...actually a world of difference...it can make the difference between a strong erection and a somewhat weak one. If you adjust the doses over time, you may not need 1000iu as you can block the estrogen from metabolizing which should also improve your testosterone. But it takes some trial and error I found.

But, if I remember right Davie, you would not categorize HCG as a "godsend," right?  It's been somewhat lackluster in efficacy for your, right?  Or am I making that up?
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Re: HCG is a Godsend for Me
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2014, 04:25:51 am »
even me saying its a godesend is a little far fetched, the first week was amazing, i feel like its tapering off now, either way very strong and efficient stufff,

after my first shot i was getting erections like i was in grade 8 again
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