Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis

[Low T]

Hi everyone.. I was currently diagnosed with LOW T in December of 2013.. I went and seen uro and told him I had used propecia..had a side effect of anorgasmia and stopped immediately...he checked testosterone and it was 383 and lh was 2.5 and fsh was 2.5.. He put me on testosterone cream that day.. In the last 4 months I have used 20 mg Cialis and Viagra 100 mg a couple of times... IN the last 2 months I have used 5mg daily Cialis which works great with the test cream daily!!! The side effect of anorgasmia I had on propecia has completely gone away.. I went to uro march 31 and test was 805.. So as it sits right now this protocol is working.. I have had 2 different doctors tell me that the low dose Cialis will never stop working unless there is something else wrong.. I am just wondering how many guys on this forum have been taking 5mg daily Cialis and for how many years have they been working for example 5 to 10 years or more.. I was on propecia help forum and they banned me because i was telling them that TRT was helping along with daily Cialis and they told me i didn't have Post Finasteride Syndrome and kicked me off the forum because i was able to have sex daily. No big deal though.. My question is how many years have guys on here that are on TRT been taking 5mg daily Cialis and is it still working for you?? I have 1 urologist and 1 internal medicine doctor both tell me as long as ure healthy that they don't lose effectiveness... I am 35.. Any help or info would be greatly appreciated.. I have had sex for the last 30 days successfully doing this and sensation and orgasm are great!!

[PeakT]

I've been using Cialis for years now - I guess 5+ - and seem to be doing okay.  However, I have gone down as low as I can go.  I just figured out my total and it was 2 mg/day.

[Wango]

Glad you had positive results, but healing, and not even use prescisar absolutely nothing, good luck.

[PeakT]

Glad you had positive results, but healing, and not even use prescisar absolutely nothing, good luck.

Not sure what this means Wango?  Can you try again?

[Low T]

I've been using Cialis for years now - I guess 5+ - and seem to be doing okay.  However, I have gone down as low as I can go.  I just figured out my total and it was 2 mg/day.

Its really good to know that what a urologist told me and an internal medicine doctor told me are true.. They both told me that as long as test is up and there weren't any other medical conditions coming into play that 5mg daily Cialis would never lose potency.. I have been on it for 2 months and I love it.. Of course im on TRT as well but im still in the game after a bout with propecia.. Doc told me that eventually I will not need 5mg daily anymore because I would be healed...Which is good?? What do u think about this??

[Low T]

Glad you had positive results, but healing, and not even use prescisar absolutely nothing, good luck.

Cant really make out what u are saying?? What do u mean??

[PeakT]

Its really good to know that what a urologist told me and an internal medicine doctor told me are true.. They both told me that as long as test is up and there weren't any other medical conditions coming into play that 5mg daily Cialis would never lose potency.. I have been on it for 2 months and I love it.. Of course im on TRT as well but im still in the game after a bout with propecia.. Doc told me that eventually I will not need 5mg daily anymore because I would be healed...Which is good?? What do u think about this??

I have not noticed any dependence or resistance on low dose Cialis.  For those who don't know what we are talking about:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Cialis_Dependency

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Viagra_Resistance

In fact, that has led me to the theory that the "megadosing" or "horse dosing" of Cialis is what is causing most of the above. 

Now I do have to say that imo you want to go as low as you can.  I was very pleased recently because I found that I had only been taking 2 mg/day on average and not 2.5 as I originally thought.  I basically divided the # of 20 mg tabs over the # of days to get that. 

Anyway, the thing to remember is that Cialis does effect some of the other PDE enzyme system, i.e. there is crossover, and no one knows the long term effects of this.  Will this lead to degraded vision in your 70's/80's?  Could this accelerate atrophic gastritis for some guys?  Some w/ hearing.  We just don't know and so the lower you can go, the better.

Now Cialis does help a bit with blood pressure, gets you back in the sack and can help with enlarged prostate.  So it has some real positive health advantages too.  But all fo the above can be achieved naturally imo as well...

[Low T]

Its really good to know that what a urologist told me and an internal medicine doctor told me are true.. They both told me that as long as test is up and there weren't any other medical conditions coming into play that 5mg daily Cialis would never lose potency.. I have been on it for 2 months and I love it.. Of course im on TRT as well but im still in the game after a bout with propecia.. Doc told me that eventually I will not need 5mg daily anymore because I would be healed...Which is good?? What do u think about this??

I have not noticed any dependence or resistance on low dose Cialis.  For those who don't know what we are talking about:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Cialis_Dependency

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Viagra_Resistance

In fact, that has led me to the theory that the "megadosing" or "horse dosing" of Cialis is what is causing most of the above. 

Now I do have to say that imo you want to go as low as you can.  I was very pleased recently because I found that I had only been taking 2 mg/day on average and not 2.5 as I originally thought.  I basically divided the # of 20 mg tabs over the # of days to get that. 

Anyway, the thing to remember is that Cialis does effect some of the other PDE enzyme system, i.e. there is crossover, and no one knows the long term effects of this.  Will this lead to degraded vision in your 70's/80's?  Could this accelerate atrophic gastritis for some guys?  Some w/ hearing.  We just don't know and so the lower you can go, the better.

Now Cialis does help a bit with blood pressure, gets you back in the sack and can help with enlarged prostate.  So it has some real positive health advantages too.  But all fo the above can be achieved naturally imo as well...

Well its good that it wont ever quit working as long as an individual is healthy and there T is up?? Do u know anyone other than ureself that has used this for 5 years or more and still has no problem?? And are u on injections or cream for ure TRT?? And obviousely my estrogen is in good shape or I wouldn't be having these kinda results right??

[PeakT]

Well its good that it wont ever quit working as long as an individual is healthy and there T is up??

Yes, but remember that "healthy" means very minimal arteriosclerosis.

Do u know anyone other than ureself that has used this for 5 years or more and still has no problem??

There have been other guys on the board that have been long term users.  I don't remember who it is though.  Imo, if you keep the arteries in good shape, you should be good long term.  Of course, there is a lot to health.  You have to think

And are u on injections or cream for ure TRT??

Injections.

And obviousely my estrogen is in good shape or I wouldn't be having these kinda results right??

Should be.  I think it's still good to get it measure since low and high values have been associated with poor mortality results:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2010/may2010_Why-Estrogen-Balance-is-Critical-to-Aging-Men_01.htm

https://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/nov2008_Dangers-of-Excess-Estrogen-in-the-Aging-Male_01.htm

[Low T]

Well its good that it wont ever quit working as long as an individual is healthy and there T is up??

Yes, but remember that "healthy" means very minimal arteriosclerosis.

Do u know anyone other than ureself that has used this for 5 years or more and still has no problem??

There have been other guys on the board that have been long term users.  I don't remember who it is though.  Imo, if you keep the arteries in good shape, you should be good long term.  Of course, there is a lot to health.  You have to think

And are u on injections or cream for ure TRT??

Injections.

And obviousely my estrogen is in good shape or I wouldn't be having these kinda results right??

Should be.  I think it's still good to get it measure since low and high values have been associated with poor mortality results:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2010/may2010_Why-Estrogen-Balance-is-Critical-to-Aging-Men_01.htm

https://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/nov2008_Dangers-of-Excess-Estrogen-in-the-Aging-Male_01.htm

Well that's great to here.. So u are on injections and u still have mild ed or do u just eat the daily Cialis because of the other good effects it has on u??

[PeakT]

Well that's great to here.. So u are on injections and u still have mild ed or do u just eat the daily Cialis because of the other good effects it has on u??

I'm doing quite well thank?   

No, my erectile dysfunction is effectively gone.  I still can lose an erection more quickly than my youth and it's because the cypionate was able to reverse about 90% of the venous leakage but not all of it.  But I'm good to go in the bedroom.

Now, as far as giving up Cialis, I have tried multiple times.  What happens is that I can live without it for a week or two, but then I begin to lose morning erections, etc.  However, I'm pretty proud of the fact that I have it done to just 2 mg/day. 

[Low T]

Well that's great to here.. So u are on injections and u still have mild ed or do u just eat the daily Cialis because of the other good effects it has on u??

I'm doing quite well thank?   

No, my erectile dysfunction is effectively gone.  I still can lose an erection more quickly than my youth and it's because the cypionate was able to reverse about 90% of the venous leakage but not all of it.  But I'm good to go in the bedroom.

Now, as far as giving up Cialis, I have tried multiple times.  What happens is that I can live without it for a week or two, but then I begin to lose morning erections, etc.  However, I'm pretty proud of the fact that I have it done to just 2 mg/day.

I understand and that is great that u are good again.. Based on what im telling u on the protocol I am on and being that it is helping me.. If u were me would u keep eating the 5mg daily ?? And based on what im telling u does it really seem to u like that I am that bad off???

[PeakT]

I understand and that is great that u are good again.. Based on what im telling u on the protocol I am on and being that it is helping me.. If u were me would u keep eating the 5mg daily ?? And based on what im telling u does it really seem to u like that I am that bad off???

Well, I don't know what to tell you about the long term safety of Cialis if that is what you are asking.  No one knows the answer to that.  My approach is get my dose as low as possible.  I think I could get off of it actually if I took garlic, but my wife is just too sensitive to the smell, so that would kind of defeat the purpose.

Are you "bad off"?  If I said 'yes,' that would the "pot calling the kettle black," now wouldn't it?   

No, I'll tell you what you already know:  a 35 year old should not need Cialis.  So you want to keep working on this.  If it was me, I'd get a Heart Scan or an IMT (through Lifeline) and make sure that all was well on the arteriosclerosis side.  At 35 you shouldn't have a ton of plaque, but it's certainly possible you have enough to cause some issues down under...

[Low T]

I understand and that is great that u are good again.. Based on what im telling u on the protocol I am on and being that it is helping me.. If u were me would u keep eating the 5mg daily ?? And based on what im telling u does it really seem to u like that I am that bad off???

Well, I don't know what to tell you about the long term safety of Cialis if that is what you are asking.  No one knows the answer to that.  My approach is get my dose as low as possible.  I think I could get off of it actually if I took garlic, but my wife is just too sensitive to the smell, so that would kind of defeat the purpose.

Are you "bad off"?  If I said 'yes,' that would the "pot calling the kettle black," now wouldn't it?   

No, I'll tell you what you already know:  a 35 year old should not need Cialis.  So you want to keep working on this.  If it was me, I'd get a Heart Scan or an IMT (through Lifeline) and make sure that all was well on the arteriosclerosis side.  At 35 you shouldn't have a ton of plaque, but it's certainly possible you have enough to cause some issues down under...

I got tested on all kinds of stuff last week.. I will post results from an internal medicine doctor as soon as they call me.. He is looking at everything..Arteriosclerosis, Cholestrol, endocrine hormones.. the works..I basically told him the i have low libido on TRT and i eat 5mg daily cialis and if i eat the daily cialis there is no ed whatsoever.. so rqan a full meal deal and he is trting to figure it out how he can help me..the ed is so mild that if i am not on Cialis and i get aroused it takes about 20 to 25 seconds to go down without stimulation..When i am on 5mg daily it takes anywherer between 40 to 60 seconds to go down without stimulation?? Does this sound mild to u?? Now take in mind there is no problem with arousal either way..i do self tests like watch porn and get myself aroused and once it gets hard i will stand up and not touch it and i time it to see how long it takes to lose erection.. Before i started taking daily cialis 2 months ago when i did this it would go down in a bout 20 to 25 seconds now when im on cialis it takes anywhere from 40 to 60 seconds to lose erection..Would u call this mild ED???

[PeakT]

I got tested on all kinds of stuff last week.. I will post results from an internal medicine doctor as soon as they call me.. He is looking at everything..Arteriosclerosis, Cholestrol, endocrine hormones.. the works..I basically told him the i have low libido on TRT and i eat 5mg daily cialis and if i eat the daily cialis there is no ed whatsoever.. so rqan a full meal deal and he is trting to figure it out how he can help me..the ed is so mild that if i am not on Cialis and i get aroused it takes about 20 to 25 seconds to go down without stimulation..When i am on 5mg daily it takes anywherer between 40 to 60 seconds to go down without stimulation?? Does this sound mild to u?? Now take in mind there is no problem with arousal either way..i do self tests like watch porn and get myself aroused and once it gets hard i will stand up and not touch it and i time it to see how long it takes to lose erection.. Before i started taking daily cialis 2 months ago when i did this it would go down in a bout 20 to 25 seconds now when im on cialis it takes anywhere from 40 to 60 seconds to lose erection..Would u call this mild ED???

Never seen any "time to flaccidity" numbers.  There is something called Hardness Factor that is measured with a device called a Rigiscan:

https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1024.0