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Re: How to Do Testosterone Cypionate Injections
« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2015, 12:10:15 am »
I have some questions regarding my personal injection protocol, but I'm asking here because I feel like they are general-enough questions that the answers may help quite a few others who are looking to do subQ.

I plan to start subQ injections tomorrow.  I've been on 1cc/200mg IM every 2 weeks until now.  I bought 30g 1/2" insulin syringes, and I plan to inject in my belly (squeeze belly to side of navel, insert needle fully at 90deg).  I have 3 questions:

Is fully inserting a 1/2" needle too far for subQ in the belly?  I'm not super thin, especially here.  Should I get 5/16" instead?

Can I do a weekly 0.5cc injection, or is 0.5cc too much for a single subQ injection?

I know the new Crisler method is to do it in the glutes, but it seems like it would be harder to self-inject in this area.  I'd prefer not to bother my wife with it, even though she's been fine with the IM shots so far.  Are there really tangible benefits from doing it in the glutes as opposed to the belly?

SubQ in the gluts you can do yourself.  I use a 1/2 inch needle on my abs and I'm thin. 
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Re: How to Do Testosterone Cypionate Injections + Schedules and Methods
« Reply #46 on: January 05, 2016, 04:06:35 am »
  Hey guys.. it's been awhile since I have been on here. I have a question that I am sure you can help with. So its been about 2yrs now that I have been on TRT, my Dr had me on 200mg IM every 2wks.... for the last 8 months or so he asked me to cut down to 150mg every 3wks.... so I did 50mg IM each wk... I have realized now I'm crashing out and need to bump it back up a bit.. I felt great with 100mg/wk.

 So my question is, since I keep reading smaller more frequent injections work better, would a 25mg injection EOD or E3D be better? I do IM injections now but could I do this schedule with subQ as well. I would like to dial this in once and for all.
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 2016= 25mg EOD subQ
 2015= 75mg /wk IM (this was no good)
 2014= 200mg / 2 wks IM (but I split that into 100mg /wk)

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Re: How to Do Testosterone Cypionate Injections + Schedules and Methods
« Reply #46 on: January 05, 2016, 04:06:35 am »


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Re: How to Do Testosterone Cypionate Injections + Schedules and Methods
« Reply #47 on: January 05, 2016, 04:13:24 am »
  Hey guys.. it's been awhile since I have been on here. I have a question that I am sure you can help with. So its been about 2yrs now that I have been on TRT, my Dr had me on 200mg IM every 2wks.... for the last 8 months or so he asked me to cut down to 150mg every 3wks.... so I did 50mg IM each wk... I have realized now I'm crashing out and need to bump it back up a bit.. I felt great with 100mg/wk.

 So my question is, since I keep reading smaller more frequent injections work better, would a 25mg injection EOD or E3D be better? I do IM injections now but could I do this schedule with subQ as well. I would like to dial this in once and for all.

fyi:  I tried 80 mg in two times per week and greadually felt worse.  So I went back up to 100 mg.  Basically, you have to experiment and find where you feel good, meet your parameters, have morning erections, etc.  I personally guys to go as low as they can to feel normal.  I think that is safer for a variety of reasons. However, you can go too low, though, imo, because then insulin levels will start rising and you'll be at great risk of Met-S and its host of nasty problems.  Inflammation in the arteries will also rise as well. 

But the main thing I want to say is, unless you are high SHBG, you will do much better with more frequent injections.  We have guys on here doing frequent subQ - like me - and quite a few guys doing frequent IM.  We just had a thread from the pro-IM guys and they said they felt better.  So dig that up if you are int'd.

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Re: How to Do Testosterone Cypionate Injections + Schedules and Methods
« Reply #48 on: January 05, 2016, 04:26:43 am »
  Thanks Peak
I started back at 100mg /wk for the last 3wks and I am starting to feel better, morning wood is back. ;)  Think I will start the subQ and see if that works or I'll just go back to the IM.. Thinking I will do 25mg EOD then take it down to 20mg. I agree with you, I would like to find the lowest amount I need to stay in a good range and feel good.
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 2016= 25mg EOD subQ
 2015= 75mg /wk IM (this was no good)
 2014= 200mg / 2 wks IM (but I split that into 100mg /wk)

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Re: How to Do Testosterone Cypionate Injections + Schedules and Methods
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Re: How to Do Testosterone Cypionate Injections + Schedules and Methods
« Reply #49 on: January 05, 2016, 05:28:59 pm »
  Thanks Peak
I started back at 100mg /wk for the last 3wks and I am starting to feel better, morning wood is back. ;)  Think I will start the subQ and see if that works or I'll just go back to the IM.. Thinking I will do 25mg EOD then take it down to 20mg. I agree with you, I would like to find the lowest amount I need to stay in a good range and feel good.

I'm doing 30 mg EOD, but I usually have a small bubble in there, so I would guess I am doing 13-14 ml, i.e. 26-38 mg EOD.
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Re: How to Do Testosterone Cypionate Injections + Schedules and Methods
« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2016, 10:32:20 pm »
 So I did my first subQ today. Injected 25mg into the abdomen area.. so only .25ml was injected, I felt it a bit more than my IM shots I do. I used an insulin 29g 1/2inch needle.  Do guys alternate between smaller more frequent  subq and IM or is it better to stick with one. Am I correct in understanding that subq absorbs slower compared with a IM injection...

 I need to look back in the thread but did someone say that  .25ml is an ok amount to use subq... think I'm doing that right, my test cyp is 100mg/ 1cc .. so .25ml = 25mg
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 2016= 25mg EOD subQ
 2015= 75mg /wk IM (this was no good)
 2014= 200mg / 2 wks IM (but I split that into 100mg /wk)

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Re: How to Do Testosterone Cypionate Injections + Schedules and Methods
« Reply #51 on: January 05, 2016, 10:57:35 pm »
So I did my first subQ today. Injected 25mg into the abdomen area.. so only .25ml was injected, I felt it a bit more than my IM shots I do. I used an insulin 29g 1/2inch needle.  Do guys alternate between smaller more frequent  subq and IM or is it better to stick with one. Am I correct in understanding that subq absorbs slower compared with a IM injection...

 I need to look back in the thread but did someone say that  .25ml is an ok amount to use subq... think I'm doing that right, my test cyp is 100mg/ 1cc .. so .25ml = 25mg

Usually a guy will prefer one over the other.  But we have had men change teams.
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Re: How to Do Testosterone Cypionate Injections + Schedules and Methods
« Reply #52 on: January 06, 2016, 01:39:30 am »
So I did my first subQ today. Injected 25mg into the abdomen area.. so only .25ml was injected, I felt it a bit more than my IM shots I do. I used an insulin 29g 1/2inch needle.  Do guys alternate between smaller more frequent  subq and IM or is it better to stick with one. Am I correct in understanding that subq absorbs slower compared with a IM injection...

 I need to look back in the thread but did someone say that  .25ml is an ok amount to use subq... think I'm doing that right, my test cyp is 100mg/ 1cc .. so .25ml = 25mg

It probably isn't a speed of absorption issue, but a matter of peaks especially and barely toughs: subq lowers peaks by somewhere around 30-40% (based on multiple animal studies I've seen comparing IM and subq shots for different substances).  Check out this awesome graph comparing hCG (which should generalize to cypionate) for IM and subq among obese and non-obese women:



Notice how much smoother subq injections are compared to IM, and also notice how the more obese you are the less of an effect you get for either IM or subq, and seemingly a lower peak as well relative to obesity (meaning, screwily, that an obese person's IM injection might be close to the same as a non-obese person's subq injection). 

Also, you said .25 mls and then 25 mg.  Are you taking 100mg per mL cypionate?  Because if you're taking 200mg per mL (like most people do), then you'd double your mL amount and take away the decimal to see how much you're taking in mgs.  E.g., .10 mL = 20 mg -- remember, only for 200 mg/mL cypionate. 
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Re: How to Do Testosterone Cypionate Injections + Schedules and Methods
« Reply #53 on: January 06, 2016, 03:22:08 am »
  Thanks Kierkegaard,  that's a great graph. That makes it a bit more understandable.
And yes my cyp  is 100mg/ml
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 2016= 25mg EOD subQ
 2015= 75mg /wk IM (this was no good)
 2014= 200mg / 2 wks IM (but I split that into 100mg /wk)

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« Reply #54 on: January 06, 2016, 03:34:50 am »
  Thanks Kierkegaard,  that's a great graph. That makes it a bit more understandable.
And yes my cyp  is 100mg/ml

Cool.  That definitely makes it easier to measure.  Make sure you don't go past .50 ml or 50 mg when injecting subcutaneously.  If you need to inject more than this much, split up your injections into two different site injections, or just inject more frequently.
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Re: How to Do Testosterone Cypionate Injections + Schedules and Methods
« Reply #55 on: January 08, 2016, 05:00:46 am »
  Thanks Kierkegaard,  that's a great graph. That makes it a bit more understandable.
And yes my cyp  is 100mg/ml

Is that compounded?
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Re: How to Do Testosterone Cypionate Injections + Schedules and Methods
« Reply #56 on: January 23, 2016, 10:10:33 am »
So if testosterone only trt might lower little bit of cortisol in physiological amounts of supplementing t,  does sypraphysiological amount of testosterone lower even more? Let's say 250mg of testosterone weekly?

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« Reply #57 on: January 23, 2016, 04:33:21 pm »
So if testosterone only trt might lower little bit of cortisol in physiological amounts of supplementing t,  does sypraphysiological amount of testosterone lower even more? Let's say 250mg of testosterone weekly?

It could cuzz it would shut you down harder according to that school of thought.  Keep in mind that that is not something out of the research though but anecdotal.
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Re: How to Do Testosterone Cypionate Injections + Schedules and Methods
« Reply #58 on: March 18, 2016, 04:09:35 pm »
Peak, what size needle for cyp do you use for sub q in the belly?

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« Reply #59 on: March 18, 2016, 09:09:35 pm »
Peak, what size needle for cyp do you use for sub q in the belly?

27 to 29 ga; 1/2 inch needles; insulin syringe
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