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Re: Controlling Your Symptoms: Injection Schedules and Methods
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2015, 02:42:10 pm »
A couple of men posted lab results showing that IM injections lead to much greater Testosterone levels over subQ and I split it out here:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=6478.0
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Re: Controlling Your Symptoms: Injection Schedules and Methods
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2015, 02:24:43 pm »
Well, we had some post an opposing view, i.e. that subQ increased his testosterone levels and I split it out here:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=6493.0
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Re: Controlling Your Symptoms: Injection Schedules and Methods
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2015, 02:24:43 pm »


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Re: Controlling Your Symptoms: Injection Schedules and Methods
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2015, 05:22:10 am »
Awesome, awesome post. Thank you Kierkegaard
37 Years old
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Re: Controlling Your Symptoms: Injection Schedules and Methods
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2015, 07:37:59 pm »
No prob!
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Re: Controlling Your Symptoms: Injection Schedules and Methods
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2015, 07:37:59 pm »


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Re: Controlling Your Symptoms: Injection Schedules and Methods
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2015, 10:32:49 pm »
I am happy with once weekly I M shots. For low SHBG guys, or those with high estradiol, doing subq e3d seems ideal. I have highe SHBG, and lower estradiol. I've been dosing 1/2 mg of Arimidex weekly, and my e2 is below optimal, so I may drop Arimidex completely, and go with DIM.

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Re: Controlling Your Symptoms: Injection Schedules and Methods
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2015, 05:52:04 pm »
I am happy with once weekly I M shots. For low SHBG guys, or those with high estradiol, doing subq e3d seems ideal. I have highe SHBG, and lower estradiol. I've been dosing 1/2 mg of Arimidex weekly, and my e2 is below optimal, so I may drop Arimidex completely, and go with DIM.

Sounds good.  I'm planning on going back to IM shots with low-dose T because I seem to have presumably a cortisol or other mysterious hormone problem since going to subq shots.  Basically it seems like I need to lower my T dose to around 600-700 ng/dl, but I can't get below 800 ng/dl or my estradiol goes to low which causes symptoms.

So subq shots are far from a panacea for everyone. 
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Re: Controlling Your Symptoms: Injection Schedules and Methods
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2015, 09:16:32 pm »
I am happy with once weekly I M shots. For low SHBG guys, or those with high estradiol, doing subq e3d seems ideal. I have highe SHBG, and lower estradiol. I've been dosing 1/2 mg of Arimidex weekly, and my e2 is below optimal, so I may drop Arimidex completely, and go with DIM.

Sounds good.  I'm planning on going back to IM shots with low-dose T because I seem to have presumably a cortisol or other mysterious hormone problem since going to subq shots.  Basically it seems like I need to lower my T dose to around 600-700 ng/dl, but I can't get below 800 ng/dl or my estradiol goes to low which causes symptoms.

So subq shots are far from a panacea for everyone.
K,  how much do you plan on injecting when you go back to IM?

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Re: Controlling Your Symptoms: Injection Schedules and Methods
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2015, 12:52:58 am »
I am happy with once weekly I M shots. For low SHBG guys, or those with high estradiol, doing subq e3d seems ideal. I have highe SHBG, and lower estradiol. I've been dosing 1/2 mg of Arimidex weekly, and my e2 is below optimal, so I may drop Arimidex completely, and go with DIM.

Sounds good.  I'm planning on going back to IM shots with low-dose T because I seem to have presumably a cortisol or other mysterious hormone problem since going to subq shots.  Basically it seems like I need to lower my T dose to around 600-700 ng/dl, but I can't get below 800 ng/dl or my estradiol goes to low which causes symptoms.

So subq shots are far from a panacea for everyone.
K,  how much do you plan on injecting when you go back to IM?

If I go back, about 24 mg E3D, just what I'm taking now subq.
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Re: Controlling Your Symptoms: Injection Schedules and Methods
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2015, 06:39:26 pm »

If I go back, about 24 mg E3D, just what I'm taking now subq.

That's impressive.  You saw that I went back to 50 mg E3.5D?  And it really helped.
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Re: Controlling Your Symptoms: Injection Schedules and Methods
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2015, 07:10:11 pm »

If I go back, about 24 mg E3D, just what I'm taking now subq.

That's impressive.  You saw that I went back to 50 mg E3.5D?  And it really helped.

Yeah.  My guess is I could use going back to IM because there's something about my T getting lower while still keeping my E2 in range, which I can't get while going subq, that lets my body find its sweet spot.

Which means I'm probably not the only person on earth with this problem.  Sometimes it might be good to have less high E2 so your can have lower T, because higher T might by itself (independent of E2) be causing problems.  Hence my speculation on cortisol being a culprit.
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Re: Controlling Your Symptoms: Injection Schedules and Methods
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2015, 08:00:15 pm »

If I go back, about 24 mg E3D, just what I'm taking now subq.

That's impressive.  You saw that I went back to 50 mg E3.5D?  And it really helped.

Yeah.  My guess is I could use going back to IM because there's something about my T getting lower while still keeping my E2 in range, which I can't get while going subq, that lets my body find its sweet spot.

Which means I'm probably not the only person on earth with this problem.  Sometimes it might be good to have less high E2 so your can have lower T, because higher T might by itself (independent of E2) be causing problems.  Hence my speculation on cortisol being a culprit.

I definitely want to know how you are doing, that is a pretty low dose of T for IM though?

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Re: Controlling Your Symptoms: Injection Schedules and Methods
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2015, 04:09:55 pm »
Split out some questions/comments about going lower dose:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=6988.0
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Re: Controlling Your Symptoms: Injection Schedules and Methods
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2015, 07:24:15 am »
Just realized this topic was unstickied.  Peak?
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Re: Controlling Your Symptoms: Injection Schedules and Methods
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2015, 08:52:44 am »
ok along the lines of all of these schedules and such, could one schedule also determine hematocrit levels and such? sorry i did not see any of that talked about? along with the schedule it may actually help to keep an eye not only on test levels but the rbc's and associated blood issues within this area as well correct? i mean has there been any correlation between the schedules and how its administered in regards to the h&h&rbc's?

i started out at 200 mlg test c per week, and read crislers hcg paper a long time ago, sooo i was doing 1 s50 iu shot of hcg on sunday and my 200 mlg shot of test c on monday and along wtiht that 1 mlg anastrozole on wed, and then my final hcg shot of another 250 iu's either thursday or friady and i felt amazing,,, more so than i do on 100 mlg's but i knew 200 was way to damn much, yet when at those levels, i never had any rbc/h&h issues.... at 100 mlg 1 time per week its another story....
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Re: Controlling Your Symptoms: Injection Schedules and Methods
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2015, 09:03:59 am »
ok along the lines of all of these schedules and such, could one schedule also determine hematocrit levels and such? sorry i did not see any of that talked about? along with the schedule it may actually help to keep an eye not only on test levels but the rbc's and associated blood issues within this area as well correct? i mean has there been any correlation between the schedules and how its administered in regards to the h&h&rbc's?

i started out at 200 mlg test c per week, and read crislers hcg paper a long time ago, sooo i was doing 1 s50 iu shot of hcg on sunday and my 200 mlg shot of test c on monday and along wtiht that 1 mlg anastrozole on wed, and then my final hcg shot of another 250 iu's either thursday or friady and i felt amazing,,, more so than i do on 100 mlg's but i knew 200 was way to damn much, yet when at those levels, i never had any rbc/h&h issues.... at 100 mlg 1 time per week its another story....

Theoretically yes, schedules and injection amount probably influence hematocrit levels.  If you inject 200 mg, hematocrit and hemoglobin (etc.) are going to go higher in response to the higher testosterone levels.  Same thing would happen if you had more steady levels from every three day subcutaneous injections if you had your overall T level get too high.  My guess is that in the first case -- injecting a lot every week or two -- would mean more ups and downs for hematocrit, etc., whereas the latter case would mean more steady higher levels. 
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Re: Controlling Your Symptoms: Injection Schedules and Methods
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2015, 09:03:59 am »