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« on: August 25, 2012, 03:53:27 pm »
yikes - i do two full eggs, three/four times a week....guess it's time to cut down.. After years of saying "eggs are cool, don't worry about it," we get this.

http://www.latimes.com/health/boostershots/la-heb-egg-cholesterol-smoking-20120814,0,1391259.story


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Re: new stuff on egg yolks
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2012, 08:26:31 pm »
Great post starry!  Much appreciated.  I put that staight into my Eggs and Beef page:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/BeefnEggs

The real "evil" of egg yolks is probably much more the high AA (Arachidonic Acid) content as opposed to the cholesterol.  Looks like it might be a one-two punch for your arteries.
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Re: new stuff on egg yolks
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2012, 09:57:20 pm »
yes, that's right i remember learning that from you...

well from now on i am going to be taking the yolk out of at least one of my two eggs that i eat monday/wed/fri....

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Re: new stuff on egg yolks
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2012, 03:57:14 am »
PEAK T I am not ready to jump on in and believe these new findings. I need to investigate the investigator first.

"Egg Yolks Do Not Cause Heart Disease — Egg Yolks Are Good for Your Heart!

Concerned about the cholesterol in egg yolks? Worried about protecting your heart health? Egg yolks have long been maligned because of their cholesterol content, but cholesterol itself does not cause heart disease. In fact, while LDL, a major carrier of cholesterol in the blood, does have a role in heart disease, it is when poor metablism, deficient diets, and toxins destroy the LDL particle that heart disease develops. You can read more about this in my extensive article High Cholesterol and Heart Disease — Myth or Truth? Or, listen to my interview with Jimmy Moore on the Livin' La Vida Low-Carb Show, Chris Masterjohn on the Health Benefits of Cholesterol." No reading required!

And, in fact, the University of Connecticut has extensively studied the effects of eggs on cholesterol levels. These high-quality controlled studies have shown that when people consume three to four eggs per day, with the yolk, virtually everyone experiences either no change or beneficial changes in their cholesterol levels. Dr. Maria-Luz Fernandez has reviewed those studies here. "

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Egg_Yolk.html

According to these people EATING cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease. I know you and others would love to make that connection but I need more. Many studies are biased.

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Re: new stuff on egg yolks
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2012, 04:26:44 am »
Here is a scientist that blows that recent study out of the water. Chris Masterjohn. It turns out the organization that's purporting these lies is doing it for money from the government.

http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/cmasterjohn/2012/08/16/does-eating-egg-yolks-increase-arterial-plaque/

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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2012, 01:48:21 pm »
Here is a scientist that blows that recent study out of the water. Chris Masterjohn. It turns out the organization that's purporting these lies is doing it for money from the government.

http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/cmasterjohn/2012/08/16/does-eating-egg-yolks-increase-arterial-plaque/

Guys, I softened what I wrote above as, yes, I agree that it points out some issues with the study. 

It's also just one study, which is something to keep in mind.  How many times have we seen one study one thing and then another come out a few years later and nullify it?

Thx for the counterbalancing article. 

But you guys may have missed what I wrote above:  it's the AA in eggs that is the real risk factor, not the cholesterol. I think it's a real stretch to assume that the typical Westerner can eat a bunch of AA and be okay.  Maybe the omega-3's will protect him, but I have my doubts. 





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Re: new stuff on egg yolks
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2012, 10:21:24 pm »

Nutritional Benefits

According to the "Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism," arachidonic acid is very important in the growth and repair of skeletal muscle. Also, the journal "Chemico-Biological Interations" reports that arachidonic acid is key in regulating neurological health by maintaining the growth and repair of neurons. It is also marketed as a bodybuilding supplement and has shown some encouraging results. Even though arachidonic acid is a mediator of the inflammatory process, there is no evidence that normal dietary levels negatively impact health in most individuals.

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/495210-arachidonic-acid-in-eggs/#ixzz24mu6cIWk

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Re: new stuff on egg yolks
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2012, 10:30:46 pm »
Here is a scientist that blows that recent study out of the water. Chris Masterjohn. It turns out the organization that's purporting these lies is doing it for money from the government.

http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/cmasterjohn/2012/08/16/does-eating-egg-yolks-increase-arterial-plaque/

Guys, I softened what I wrote above as, yes, I agree that it points out some issues with the study. 

It's also just one study, which is something to keep in mind.  How many times have we seen one study one thing and then another come out a few years later and nullify it?

Thx for the counterbalancing article. 

But you guys may have missed what I wrote above:  it's the AA in eggs that is the real risk factor, not the cholesterol. I think it's a real stretch to assume that the typical Westerner can eat a bunch of AA and be okay.  Maybe the omega-3's will protect him, but I have my doubts.

valid points
but if the AA is so bad, where else in a westren diet do we get it from?
my dad eats 6-12 eggs and yolks a week, he has tried to have just eggwhites ,but loves his yolks
are eggs like cigarettes? where a few a week are so shitty for your health because of AA?
what symptoms does all that AA give you?
what?
 it makes you bald? well crap
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Re: new stuff on egg yolks
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2012, 12:34:04 am »

but if the AA is so bad, where else in a westren diet do we get it from?


You can make it from linoleic acid. 

You need a plan to limit inflammation.  There are many ways to do this and reducing AA consumption is just one of them.  And, as I stated, it may not be superessential in the presence of adequate omega-3's.  Consider the irony:  modern livestock is often packed with extra arachidonic acid and lacking in omega-3's cuzz it's cornfed.  It creates a perfect inflammatory storm...
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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2012, 02:55:32 am »
Here is a scientist that blows that recent study out of the water. Chris Masterjohn. It turns out the organization that's purporting these lies is doing it for money from the government.

http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/cmasterjohn/2012/08/16/does-eating-egg-yolks-increase-arterial-plaque/

Guys, I softened what I wrote above as, yes, I agree that it points out some issues with the study. 

It's also just one study, which is something to keep in mind.  How many times have we seen one study one thing and then another come out a few years later and nullify it?

Thx for the counterbalancing article. 

But you guys may have missed what I wrote above:  it's the AA in eggs that is the real risk factor, not the cholesterol. I think it's a real stretch to assume that the typical Westerner can eat a bunch of AA and be okay.  Maybe the omega-3's will protect him, but I have my doubts.

AA is not as bad as its cracked up to be.  The typical Westerner has many more problems with their diet than egg yokes and the AA in them.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/arachidonic-acid/#axzz24tpoZlkW

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Re: new stuff on egg yolks
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2012, 03:58:49 am »


AA is not as bad as its cracked up to be.  The typical Westerner has many more problems with their diet than egg yokes and the AA in them.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/arachidonic-acid/#axzz24tpoZlkW

Yes, but notice his underlying premise:  modern livestock sucks.  You are giving advice, though, to men who will not eat low fat, high omega-3 game. 
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Re: new stuff on egg yolks
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2012, 11:15:56 am »


AA is not as bad as its cracked up to be.  The typical Westerner has many more problems with their diet than egg yokes and the AA in them.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/arachidonic-acid/#axzz24tpoZlkW

Yes, but notice his underlying premise:  modern livestock sucks.  You are giving advice, though, to men who will not eat low fat, high omega-3 game.

AA is an omega 6 fat like all "vegetables oils" are.  cut out the "vegetable oils" and maybe supplement with fish oil and AA from eggs and/or meat is not a concern.  all the studies on AA being a problem were done on westerners eating a typical crap westerner diet.


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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2012, 02:23:37 pm »

AA is an omega 6 fat like all "vegetables oils" are.  cut out the "vegetable oils" and maybe supplement with fish oil and AA from eggs and/or meat is not a concern.  all the studies on AA being a problem were done on westerners eating a typical crap westerner diet.

This is exactly my point.  You have to realize something:  most of the men on this board, especially the readers, are eating more or less standard Western fare.  So your statements above - and I'm not trying to be hostile but am trying to make an important point - do not apply to them.  You are going to give them the very misleading impression that it is okay to eat AA, when, in fact, it is not because they have not yet implemented a natural lifestyle.

I would, of course, agree with you that someone who exercises a lot and is active, gets lots of omega-3's, and eats a true low fat Paleolithic Diet, would probably be okay.  However, this has yet to be proven by any studies.

And so that brings up another point:  why risk it? 

Let's say you are a Paleo Diet guy.  I don't understand why a person would go eat and eat a bunch of eggs and risk hammering his arteries just because he has a theory that AA is okay under certain circumstances.

Again, remember that most of the men on this board have arteriosclerosis, moderately to severely damaged endothliums and/or high blood pressure.  Now is not the time for them to be risky...
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2012, 02:53:32 pm »

AA is an omega 6 fat like all "vegetables oils" are.  cut out the "vegetable oils" and maybe supplement with fish oil and AA from eggs and/or meat is not a concern.  all the studies on AA being a problem were done on westerners eating a typical crap westerner diet.

This is exactly my point.  You have to realize something:  most of the men on this board, especially the readers, are eating more or less standard Western fare.  So your statements above - and I'm not trying to be hostile but am trying to make an important point - do not apply to them.  You are going to give them the very misleading impression that it is okay to eat AA, when, in fact, it is not because they have not yet implemented a natural lifestyle.

I would, of course, agree with you that someone who exercises a lot and is active, gets lots of omega-3's, and eats a true low fat Paleolithic Diet, would probably be okay.  However, this has yet to be proven by any studies.

And so that brings up another point:  why risk it? 

Let's say you are a Paleo Diet guy.  I don't understand why a person would go eat and eat a bunch of eggs and risk hammering his arteries just because he has a theory that AA is okay under certain circumstances.

Again, remember that most of the men on this board have arteriosclerosis, moderately to severely damaged endothliums and/or high blood pressure.  Now is not the time for them to be risky...

why risk it you ask?  i would ask, why throw the baby out with the bath water?  eggs are inexpensive, easy and very nutrient dense.  in one tight little package, they provide many vitamins, minerals, fat, and protein.  eggs have long been a staple of testosterone heavy athletes for a very good reason.

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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2012, 03:19:30 pm »
eggs have long been a staple of testosterone heavy athletes for a very good reason.

fyi:  I have clearly stated on my site and the forum that eggs have lots of good stuff in them.  However, the above is imo this is a big myth.  More study work needs to be done, but there is no evidence whatsoever that vegetarians or vegans have lower testosterone.  In fact, the one study that has been done shows the opposite:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_Vegetarian

Guys like Mahler have blown this out the water:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Mike_Mahler_Interview

Again, not trying to be harsh, but just calling it as I see it.  And I would actually argue that there is evidence that the best way to preserve your testosterone over the decades is likely through a lower fat diet, which is how our Paleo ancestors generally ate.

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