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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2012, 10:50:47 pm »
Hello all. Its me, the husband here again. I read the comments after mine and I have to tell you, even when I was at 700 taking the androgel, I felt like dirt. I did not feel like that number was legitimate. I have to say that after taking the 200mg injection yesterday, I feel better overnight than I ever was on Androgel the entire year I was taking it. I woke up with a pretty good erection more than I had during sleep for a long time. I went to exercise at 5:30 this morning and I was feeling great in the gym. I lifted stronger than I usually do and felt like an animal. My 100 pound weight was about 40 pounds in the morning and came back of to 85 pounds which is still better than yesterday. Question for all of you: Will L-Carnitine negatively affect me in any way? I just started taking it. 500mg 2 times a day. I sweat real good at the gym this morning. I am hoping tonight I will function like I am half way normal but I do not want to jump the gun....

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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #46 on: September 21, 2012, 01:55:33 pm »
Congrats on feeling better!  My guess is that you increased your testosterone by over 10 X! 

Your readings were so all over the place that I also was wondering about a bad read.  Anyway, another Androgel horror story I guess...

L-Carnitine has a good track record and I don't know of any long term issues with taking reasonable dosages, but talk to your doc as it can interact with some medications, etc.

Here are a couple of interesting pages:

http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/carnitine-l-000291.htm

http://www.raysahelian.com/carnitine.html

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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #46 on: September 21, 2012, 01:55:33 pm »


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« Reply #47 on: September 21, 2012, 10:31:26 pm »
Here I am again, the husband. It has been 2 days since the 200mg shot of Testosterone Cypionate. My biggest problem right now is my heavy foggy head. I feel strong and I got more excited recently than I have in a while, but it seems like my head is really cloudy. Does anyone have any knowledge of this heavy weight in my head. I do feel best in the morning but half way through the day the weight in my head just increases. I am sick of my brain feeling like this. Is this something that will get better after a couple more shots in weeks or is this unpredictable. I still on depression meds until I feel 100% better. I know it's not the anti-depressant that is making my head feel like that because it felt like that before I started taking. I am getting really anxious to get my problem cured. Feels almost like a permanent headache. As for the testosterone, my body feels strong but not the mind. Does anyone have experience of when the mind feels better after having less than 100 testosterone reading. Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

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« Reply #48 on: September 21, 2012, 11:44:05 pm »
It is fairly common to really feel "brain remapping" for a few days.  Trust me - this is having a profound impact on your neurotransmitters. Ultimately, it is usually a good thing of course.

However, in your case, it is really tricky because your are on medications, so you've got to run this by a knowledgeable doc. 

Something doesn't seem right based on your description.  It shouldn't be too uncomfortable as far as I know...
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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
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« Reply #49 on: September 22, 2012, 01:01:34 am »
I already stopped Crestor but when I do my next blood work for T and everything else next month, my future of cholesterol medications rest on that. I want to be sure that if I workout, eat right and do everything MOSTLY right, not take Crestor, then I should have the best cholesterol result without medication. If it comes back high, then I will have no choice except for getting back on it. High cholesterol runs high in my family. I tried this in the past and the end result without meds was high cholesterol. I have high hopes but at the same time realistic due to past experience. The anti-depresents are a must right now, however, I heard Wellbutrin  might be more at an advantage. Please tell me your thoughts.

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« Reply #50 on: September 22, 2012, 02:16:58 pm »
You asked a great question and so I split your thread out to here:

http://peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=545.0
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« Reply #51 on: September 28, 2012, 12:08:16 am »
#2 Testosterone shot injected. I worked out 4 times this week in the mornings. I am gaining muscle weight and getting really strong in the gym. I lifted 40 more pounds on bench press. Strange because 3 weeks ago I had a 72 score for total T and now I feel strong. My mental fog is there but it reduced a lot down. I was able to do it with my wife twice in one day yesterday. Now I know my whole youth before 33 I always had low T and never new. Androgel was garbage and a waste of time. My goal now is once I go back to doc for blood work I will not refill the antidepressants. The T injections saved my life. I still have some ways to go but I feel a lot better and this is just after the 2nd shot of 200mg.

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« Reply #52 on: September 28, 2012, 12:31:39 am »
I already stopped Crestor but when I do my next blood work for T and everything else next month, my future of cholesterol medications rest on that. I want to be sure that if I workout, eat right and do everything MOSTLY right, not take Crestor, then I should have the best cholesterol result without medication. If it comes back high, then I will have no choice except for getting back on it. High cholesterol runs high in my family. I tried this in the past and the end result without meds was high cholesterol. I have high hopes but at the same time realistic due to past experience. The anti-depresents are a must right now, however, I heard Wellbutrin  might be more at an advantage. Please tell me your thoughts.

Gotcha.

First of all, do a search in the forum on Buproprion and Wellbutrin.  Some guys had great commentary on their experiences and I gave a research summary as well.  There's a lot of great stuff out on the web as well.

Well, I think I said this before, but perhaps not clearly enough:  a Low Fat Diet will drop your cholesterol like a rock.  If you really want to solve low cholesterol, that's the only sure way to do it that I know.  I have never known anyone that went on a true low fat diet that could not get his cholesterol below about 160.  And 160 is not that common.  Most guys can get it below 150. 

One more important comment:  I have heard many times guys say, "High cholesterol runs in my family."  Again, when they go on a true, whole foods Low Fat Diet, they say, "I can't believe my cholesterol dropped that much!"

Now I can't absolutely promise you'll drop below 160, but it's very likely based on what I have seen.  In Esselstyn's book he talks about how almost always he can get the patient below 150 and if he doesn't, then and only then will he give a statin.

Now you may not be interested or open to a Low Fat Diet - I realize that eating is very cultural and downright religious for some people.  I still do not discuss with many family members how I eat as I know they'd think I was crazy. 

Anyway, if you do have an interest, the books by Ornish and Esselstyn will give you what you need and are must-read:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Best_Health_Books
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/statins

Now I will say that for some men, depending on how you eat, you might get a slight lowering of testosterone on a Low Fat Diet.  That's not a given though.  One study showed that testosterone held constant and estrogen dropped like a rock, which is exactly what you want.  See #2:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_Estrogen_Ratio

Now Bubba will tell you that cholesterol is health and the more the merrier.  So I'm not trying to be obnoxious here.  But you indicated that you were in my camp and felt that you wanted to control cholesterol, so that is why I am giving you all this information.

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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #53 on: September 28, 2012, 01:00:38 am »
I already stopped Crestor but when I do my next blood work for T and everything else next month, my future of cholesterol medications rest on that. I want to be sure that if I workout, eat right and do everything MOSTLY right, not take Crestor, then I should have the best cholesterol result without medication. If it comes back high, then I will have no choice except for getting back on it. High cholesterol runs high in my family. I tried this in the past and the end result without meds was high cholesterol. I have high hopes but at the same time realistic due to past experience. The anti-depresents are a must right now, however, I heard Wellbutrin  might be more at an advantage. Please tell me your thoughts.

Does your family have a history of heart attacks?  How about diabetes?

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« Reply #54 on: September 28, 2012, 09:55:40 pm »
No heart attacks or diabetes but high cholesterol. Triglycerides are good but HDL and LDL are off the charts. Don't remember the numbers exactly. My family for the most part is healthy and exercises. I will push for low fat diet. I have to admit, I do love some brews time to time. I will do all I can before next blood work to see how big of a difference in one month of not taking crestor will have on me.

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« Reply #55 on: September 28, 2012, 10:16:11 pm »
I have to admit, I do love some brews time to time.

This has little to do with a Low Fat Diet as beer has no fat in it.  One beer per night is a mixed bag as far as health benefits.  You get a boost in cardiovascular protection; you get a slight increase in GI cancer risk; you get a slight boost in vasodilation; you get a slight decrease in testosterone; you get a slight increase in estrogen; etc.  Also, for some men it helps them fall asleep but then stimulates the brain later in the evening and can make for more restless sleep.

I have one a few times per week but just because I like it.  I'm not really counting on it to improve my cardiovascular risk.  German beer, French wine and some good coffee and tea - thank you Mother Nature!

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« Reply #56 on: September 28, 2012, 10:59:43 pm »
We all have guilty pleasures.

Peak. I gained 8 pounds of muscle in the last couple weeks. I did not do it purposely and even sit in the sauna and run more. It appears that since I stopped the Crestor, lifting heavier, and took T shots, I been packing on some good strong weight. You can see the six pack, however, I feel heavy.

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« Reply #57 on: September 29, 2012, 12:30:36 am »
A11, I also started T about 3.5 weeks ago... T Cyp I believe. I was losing weight... about 2/3 lb per week for the last several weeks and then after taking the 1st injection I've have gained about 5 lbs. I think the TC also makes you retain more water. That is just too much weight to gain in 3 weeks. I've also noticed more strength like you have mentioned. Not sure how much of it is psychological, but it doesn't matter, I've gained more strength.
56yo, Pre  T level 239
Previous dosage 180mg T.cypionate weekly BW @ 1056 on 7th day of cycle
Previous dosage 100mg T.cypionate weekly BW @   414 on 7th day of cycle

Current dosage  140mg T.cypionate weekly

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« Reply #58 on: September 29, 2012, 01:45:49 am »
We all have guilty pleasures.

Peak. I gained 8 pounds of muscle in the last couple weeks. I did not do it purposely and even sit in the sauna and run more. It appears that since I stopped the Crestor, lifting heavier, and took T shots, I been packing on some good strong weight. You can see the six pack, however, I feel heavy.

Nice!  Congrats on the muscle.  Question:  are you a long time lifter?  I'm asking for a reason.

Remember:  I can't advise you whether or not to go off of medication, so always talk to your doc first.
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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #59 on: September 29, 2012, 01:50:31 am »
That is just too much weight to gain in 3 weeks.

I agree with you overall but do want to point out that young guys can put on ungodly amounts of muscle when they first start lifting (assuming they lift hard and eat lots of protein of course).  It's downright scary at times.  It gets harder as time goes on...
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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
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