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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #75 on: October 13, 2012, 08:14:42 am »
Clomid gets almost all the press but Nolvadex does very well as well.  This, I have always thought, is probably the best article that compares the two:

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/596847-nolva-vs-clomid-good-read.html

Prices, I believe, are pretty similar.

And it doesn't always work as anticipated for everyone:

https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=307.msg2734#msg2734

One other note:

FightLowT hated Clomid although other guys have used it just fine:

https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=223.msg1769#msg1769

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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #76 on: October 13, 2012, 02:11:30 pm »
Can anyone explain from going from a 72 to over 4400 T score in one month?
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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #77 on: October 13, 2012, 06:01:06 pm »
Testosterone level is 2412
Estradiol is 99 normal range  <=63
Cholesterol 236 normal range <200
Triglycerides 116 and the range < 150
HDL 33 range >39
Everything else in the blood work seems normal. What are your thoughts about the Testosterone being so high and the estradiol. I think the dose will have to lowered.

Most definitely it should be lowered. The good side of these results is your doctor actually tested your Estradiol. It seems too many doctors are unaware this is an important marker and you don't want it out of balance. You didn't happen to have a baseline estradiol level before the T treatment?

Also the lab report range shows <=63 as within range. There are other studies out that say it should be under 40... or lower.

One concern I have about your doctor is he didn't call you and tell you the results before your next appt 2 weeks out. If I was a doc, I would have called you and told you to go ahead and reduce your next shot to a lower level now.

Personally I would probably call the doctor now and ask if he wants you to start trying a lower dosage now since the results look WAY too high.
56yo, Pre  T level 239
Previous dosage 180mg T.cypionate weekly BW @ 1056 on 7th day of cycle
Previous dosage 100mg T.cypionate weekly BW @   414 on 7th day of cycle

Current dosage  140mg T.cypionate weekly

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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #78 on: October 13, 2012, 08:27:03 pm »
I actually requested to do the estrogen tests, but I never knew before today what it ever was. I still have one 200mg shot left, however, I will break it up into two 100mg week doses. Life is great now....Thank God for this doctor to give me the jump start I needed....

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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #79 on: October 14, 2012, 02:00:59 am »
Yes, but I find it very strange that your doctor is not concerned about these testosterone levels.  Something doesn't add up...
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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #80 on: October 14, 2012, 03:57:32 am »
Everybody is a critic in today's day in age. What does not add up is the idiot doctor who let my T score go to 72 and let me feel like dirt. People want to judge everybody else but I commend this doc.

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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #81 on: October 14, 2012, 06:29:51 am »
Everybody is a critic in today's day in age. What does not add up is the idiot doctor who let my T score go to 72 and let me feel like dirt. People want to judge everybody else but I commend this doc.

Yeah, sorry I went back to that point:  you've been clear about what you were thinking.  Still just scratching my head...
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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #82 on: October 14, 2012, 01:33:26 pm »
I agree this doctor should of called me telling me I should lower the dose immediately. I feel fine and do not feel my T score is 2400. I "feel" my score is around 1100.

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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #83 on: October 14, 2012, 01:46:13 pm »
I agree this doctor should of called me telling me I should lower the dose immediately. I feel fine and do not feel my T score is 2400. I "feel" my score is around 1100.

Well, the good news is that you find a, perhaps the root cause finally.  And, yes, I agree with you that not diagnosing low testosterone when a man is suffering so much is terrible.  Docs seem to be very callous at times to how this affects our careers, relationships and general health. 
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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #84 on: October 14, 2012, 02:01:13 pm »
Now is the time where I find a good dose which makes me feel great and keeps my T score high. My doc is pretty flexible so I can make the decision between Clomid and Nolvadex. I am going to choose Clomid due to the attention it's getting so I can make a sound judgment on it. The dosage of Clomid I am not familiar with. Once I get these doses in line with good results in blood work, I will finally get off the anti-depressants.

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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #85 on: October 14, 2012, 02:25:24 pm »
Gotcha.  Well, let us know how it goes...
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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #86 on: October 14, 2012, 11:20:57 pm »
I get the best erections I ever had in my life right now along with the best sex...As you said Peak, the root cause is discovered....Now getting it all under control is the issue.

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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #87 on: October 23, 2012, 10:08:00 pm »
I had my follow up appointment with my doctor today. My testosterone cypionate dose was lowered to 100mg weekly. As for the high estrogen, I asked her to give me Nolvadex or Clomid. Unfortunately, she never wrote a prescription for a man for that stuff. She works in internal medicine and does not specialize with that stuff. She was open to the idea and told me to follow up with blood work in 1 month on the 100mg T shot. She also asked me to bring some medical research to see information on it though she will do her own research. I still feel great....Hope to see my estrogen readings lower naturally from the lower T does but who knows. Does anyone have information on Clomid and Nolvadex in credible article. Perhaps a medical journal or credible reference medical wise?

Still feeling good. Still working out at 0515 4 times a week. Strength is through the roof. Feeling good...

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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #88 on: October 24, 2012, 01:08:15 am »
Clomid is really a little different animal.

My question is why isn't Arimidex under consideration?  Nolvadex is good for certain kinds of gynocomastia but is known for causing libido issues.

There are studies here and some of the guys have mentioned their Clomid/Arimidex dosages on this board.  Just use the search above and it should work.

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/testosterone_arimidex
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/clomid_testosterone
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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #89 on: November 09, 2012, 12:24:42 am »
Hello all. Its been awhile since my last post. Next doctor appt is 20 Nov. I still am hitting the gym in the mornings 4 times a week. I do cardio and hits the weights. I am strong and the fog in my head is a lot better. I have been reduced to 1cc of testosterone cypionate a week which is good because my last reading was too high. I do feel the libido going back to when I was when I started which is terrible. My estrodiol was high last test at 99. I will request Armidex when I go to the doctor. I will bring some findings of my research to my doc. Sucks because the first 2 weeks after my first testosterone injection was great. Unfortunately, the libido went down hills. No nocturnal erections or morning wood. Right when I thought I found what I needed, I got pulled back down. I am still trying hard exercising, eating a lot more healthy. No microwavable meals and not much junk. More vegis and fruits. At this point, I did everything I could to bring myself up to speed. The only thing now that I narrowed the problem down to is high estrogen...Will a medicine that reduces my estrodiol to a good score fix my libido?

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Re: Depression, High Cholesterol and Low T
« Reply #89 on: November 09, 2012, 12:24:42 am »