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Cardio Is a Total Waste of Time!
« on: October 17, 2014, 04:56:10 pm »
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Sam was down to 13 or something - very low.

70 is not bad at all.

Well, some guys start out with a bang with HRT and then it collapses.  Now I have heard - I think it was Dr. Mariano - say that they get an initial "dopamine rush" and then that can rebound in the brain.  Of course, we can't see behind the blood brain barrier, so that is speculative. 

But, anyway, I would start by looking carefully at lifestyle.  I think a lot of times guys get on HRT, feel good finally and then start working otu like a wild man.  Then as overtraining sets in, they start to notice the good results fade.  At least I've done that!

13 !!! too low. Anyway, I'll be careful about draining out blood to soon, Peak, Thanks amigo.

I felt the bang you are saying, after I started eating lots of ar˙gula and Pom juice.There is where my libido went through the roof.Now, the interesting part of all this is that in the past, when I went into HRT I never acomplished so big numbers in my free test, I was always  with (high) total yes 700 -800 and very low free test 7 -12  and, high ShGB or estradiol. Now It seems everything is working fine because test is not binding to SHGB and it is not aromatizing to much. Do you have any experience with this, or in other words, do you think NO (arugula and Pom juice) has to do anything with this phenomena ?



As for my lifestyle,I should tell you that I know what you mean. There is no way I overtrain myself, because I use a HIT technique I "invented" I train once a week, one  week upper body next week lower body. I set to failure for each muscle for example , squats for legs, military presses for shoulders etc etc It take me 45 minutes at the most each workout. No "cardio"at all, total waist of time, proved by me.


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« Last Edit: October 19, 2014, 07:47:43 pm by PeakT »
54 years

HRT  protocol

62 mgs of Sustenon weekly one IM shot
600 IU HGC  weekly divided in two SQ shots
6 click of  HGH daily
1 ml of Progesteron cream daily
Half pill of Arimidex once a week

Last lab tests

Progesterone,
1.50 ng/mL                                       0.21 - 1.54

Estradiol,
26 pg/mL                                              5 - 66

Testosterone Total

* 989.5 ng/dL                               142.0 - 923.0    ;D

Testosterone Libre (free)

 * 31.0 ng/dL                                     4.0 - 30.0      ;D

Testosterone Biodisponible

* 645.0 ng/dL                                        98.0 - 590.0

Sex Hormone Binding Globulin

 23.4 nmol/L                                              11.2 - 78.1

Alb˙min

 3.8 g/dL                                                  3.0 - 5.0

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Re: Cardio Is a Total Waste of Time!
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2014, 05:43:08 pm »
I don't know of any NO to SHBG connection if taht is what you mean.  Now some plant foods will bump up SHBG  a little, but nothing dramatic that you would feel.

Did you see this?

Cardiovascular fitness is the #1 predictor of longevity:

https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=5409.0

And this isn't the only study to show this...
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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2014, 05:43:08 pm »


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Re: Cardio Is a Total Waste of Time!
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2014, 06:38:09 pm »
No, I meant to say that the only thing that I changed was my diet . I added ar˙gula and the pom juice and there was where I started improving my numbers ( high free, normal SHGB, and low estradiol) So I can only "blame " my diet of getting this nice numbers BEFORE starting eating Nitrates, a lot of test binded to my SHGB an /or aromatized ending with a low free test and high SHGB .

Peak, to have a nice cardiovascular system you have to build a good skeletomuscular system, the skeletomuscular systyem supports the cardiovascular one ,not the other way around.A good skeletomuscular system will take care of everything. In some years treadmills and all that crap you see in the gyms wíll be museum pieces.You will see.

Anyway, I'll keep trying to find why I'm having this nice numbers and why they are not having any positive effect on my libido compared to when I began eating all that stuff. It seems that high testosterone is not a synonym of libido as many people think at least for me.









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« Last Edit: October 18, 2014, 12:14:24 am by factor5a »
54 years

HRT  protocol

62 mgs of Sustenon weekly one IM shot
600 IU HGC  weekly divided in two SQ shots
6 click of  HGH daily
1 ml of Progesteron cream daily
Half pill of Arimidex once a week

Last lab tests

Progesterone,
1.50 ng/mL                                       0.21 - 1.54

Estradiol,
26 pg/mL                                              5 - 66

Testosterone Total

* 989.5 ng/dL                               142.0 - 923.0    ;D

Testosterone Libre (free)

 * 31.0 ng/dL                                     4.0 - 30.0      ;D

Testosterone Biodisponible

* 645.0 ng/dL                                        98.0 - 590.0

Sex Hormone Binding Globulin

 23.4 nmol/L                                              11.2 - 78.1

Alb˙min

 3.8 g/dL                                                  3.0 - 5.0

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Re: Cardio Is a Total Waste of Time!
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2014, 06:52:24 pm »
Peak, to have a nice cardiovascular system you have to build a good skeletomuscular system,

Well, I think there is some truth to this, because muscle is so much more metabolically sound than fat tissue obviously.  However, the great majority of physiology is built around walking and all of the ultrahealthy cultures do a ton of walking and walking does not really build muscle.

Let me give you something else to think about:

Will muscle protect your arteries?  Well, a little but not much.  You can build tons of muscle with a diet that will fill your arteries with plaque.  And then nothing will can you on heaven or earth...

Again, I'm all for building a good physique, but cardiovascular disease is the #1 killer of men and the cause of most of the E.D. I see on here.

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Re: Cardio Is a Total Waste of Time!
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2014, 06:46:25 pm »


Well, I think there is some truth to this, because muscle is so much more metabolically sound than fat tissue obviously.  However, the great majority of physiology is built around walking and all of the ultrahealthy cultures do a ton of walking and walking does not really build muscle.

Peak, the guy that coined the term "aerobics" ,the "father" of "cardio" a cardiologist from the US force recently accepted he was wrong.There is no benefit other than endurance to the cardiovascular system.


Let me give you something else to think about:

Will muscle protect your arteries?  Well, a little but not much.  You can build tons of muscle with a diet that will fill your arteries with plaque.  And then nothing will can you on heaven or earth...

Diet will do the trick, not "cardio" neither  weights alone. They will push blood through the system but the arteries should be clean. I stopped cardio long ago and it is one of the best decisions I have made in my life. I used to do  45 minutes to one hour daily of Nordick Track at a very nice pace  before my weight training session.

Again, I'm all for building a good physique, but cardiovascular disease is the #1 killer of men and the cause of most of the E.D. I see on here.
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It is but, not among people who now how to eat ,  and how to exercise correctly. If you smoke, eat ilke shit and not exercise at all, then you are in trouble.

All of this is my personal opinion based on years of personal  experience in the science of exercise.


Best wishes


Ps by the way, how do you quote certain parts of a post instead of all ?
54 years

HRT  protocol

62 mgs of Sustenon weekly one IM shot
600 IU HGC  weekly divided in two SQ shots
6 click of  HGH daily
1 ml of Progesteron cream daily
Half pill of Arimidex once a week

Last lab tests

Progesterone,
1.50 ng/mL                                       0.21 - 1.54

Estradiol,
26 pg/mL                                              5 - 66

Testosterone Total

* 989.5 ng/dL                               142.0 - 923.0    ;D

Testosterone Libre (free)

 * 31.0 ng/dL                                     4.0 - 30.0      ;D

Testosterone Biodisponible

* 645.0 ng/dL                                        98.0 - 590.0

Sex Hormone Binding Globulin

 23.4 nmol/L                                              11.2 - 78.1

Alb˙min

 3.8 g/dL                                                  3.0 - 5.0

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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2014, 07:41:50 pm »
Hey, Factor5a, I know what you are saying and agree largely with it.  However, I think you're forgetting about something very practical here:  the modern lifestyle.

Scientifically, what you said is very true.  The key thing is that people are not sedentary and actually exercise moderately for a substantial portion of the day.  You do NOT have to run up the side of a mountain to get the majority of the health benefits from exercise - I think the studies are clear on that.  (You do get a nice boost in HDL.)  In fact, endurance athletes can injure their heart - we had a thread on the fibrosis issue recently.

But stop and think about it:  what the typical person DOES need to do is probably walk for an hour to an hour and a half per day.  Or he could walk for a half hour and then be very active putzing around the house, yard and kitchen, doing physical things and not sitting.

But, on a practical level, how many guys are going to do this?  Most guys - not all - are wired for competition and getting a rush.  To do that, they need something that they consider challenging and so they will bike or do triathlons or half marathons or do stuff in the gym, etc. etc.  And so the key is probably not that they are increasing their VO2Max, but that they are not sitting on a couch or in front of a computer. 

The other very practical thing:  you can walk for an hour or jog for 40 minutes - they're the same in most ways to the body per the studies.  But most guys are just not going to take the time to walk for an hour - they feel stressed about time as it is - so they're going to jog.  Do they have to jog?  No.  But they just feel it is practical and easy.

Now, let's go back to the weight lifting:  can a guy lift weights for 45 minutes three times per week and, assuming he keeps his body fat down, be healthy.  Well, there is no study on this, but my personal opinion is no, if he is largely sedentary (or, of course, is clogging up his arteries with a crappy diet of course).  Several studies show that sitting is horrendously hard on health and I don't see how having 16 inch biceps is going to magically protect you from that.  I don't know if that is what you are saying, but I just don't see it. 

So, yes, I would agree cardio is overstated and perhaps overemphasized in some ways, but I think it's just a practical thing.

Also, for anyone reading this, a great alternative half way between the cardio and hypertrophy worlds is circuit training.
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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2014, 09:40:31 pm »
Factor5a:

I actually thought about it a bit more and I, again respectfully, disagree and I've outlined some of the big reasons here:

http://peaktestosterone.com/Do_You_Need_Cardio

Again, I mean no disrespect, but imo daily exercise is incredibly important for guys and I explain why above and in another link that I mention on that page.  Again, no harm meant, but you helped me kind of articulate my basic philosophy.
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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2014, 09:50:52 pm »
For an in-between view, I think exercise is beneficial or harmful depending on the type and intensity, in relation to the capacity of the person. I suspect that a key factor is whether the level of intensity increases intestinal permeability.

If you look at studies, you'll see that exercise increases intestinal permeability. I think a healthy person can recover quickly, and his intestines return to normal in a short time. A person who is hypothyroid, suffers chronic fatigue, etc, already has a level of intestinal permeability, and maybe doesn't have the capacity to heal his intestines quickly. So exercise can actually make his situation worse by increasing intestinal permeability for a significant amount of time, maybe as long as he exercises.

What's wrong with intestinal permeability? Studies show that people who are overweight have more endotoxin in their blood. Endotoxin is absorbed from the intestine, and the more permeable the gut, the more we absorb. Endotoxin then has negative metabolic effects. Specifically, thyroid suppressing effects, and the fact that overweight people have more endotoxin than normal people suggests it might be a significant factor in obesity.

Unfortunately the medical and research community are just starting to pay attention to intestinal permeability. It's not tested routinely. I think even if you want to test it, it might be expensive or hard to find a lab that does that. And not much is known about how to treat it at this point. But there is an increasing number of publications that are studying intestinal permeability and advocating looking for it and treating it.
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2014, 12:11:20 am »
Intestinal permeability... is that another term for "leaky gut"?
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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2014, 12:13:53 am »
Intestinal permeability... is that another term for "leaky gut"?

no, leaky gut is another term for intestinal permeability.  :P

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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2014, 01:39:00 am »
I wouldn't trade the health benefits of my 100-200miles a week on a bike and the great group of people I exercise with for just about anything.   I am n the best shape of my life mentally and physically largely because of both the comradery and hours I put on the bike and solo with headphones and miles of running.

There is a quality of life aspect to cardio and endurance training that you have to take into consideration also.  Then again maybe overall happiness and social interactions have nothing to do with longevity or quality of life.

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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2014, 05:49:02 am »
I wouldn't trade the health benefits of my 100-200miles a week on a bike and the great group of people I exercise with for just about anything.   I am n the best shape of my life mentally and physically largely because of both the comradery and hours I put on the bike and solo with headphones and miles of running.

There is a quality of life aspect to cardio and endurance training that you have to take into consideration also.  Then again maybe overall happiness and social interactions have nothing to do with longevity or quality of life.

No way Sam:  you're spot on about the social part of things:

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/13/health/la-he-friends-health-20100913
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2014, 01:19:59 pm »
Hey Sam

How old are you ?
54 years

HRT  protocol

62 mgs of Sustenon weekly one IM shot
600 IU HGC  weekly divided in two SQ shots
6 click of  HGH daily
1 ml of Progesteron cream daily
Half pill of Arimidex once a week

Last lab tests

Progesterone,
1.50 ng/mL                                       0.21 - 1.54

Estradiol,
26 pg/mL                                              5 - 66

Testosterone Total

* 989.5 ng/dL                               142.0 - 923.0    ;D

Testosterone Libre (free)

 * 31.0 ng/dL                                     4.0 - 30.0      ;D

Testosterone Biodisponible

* 645.0 ng/dL                                        98.0 - 590.0

Sex Hormone Binding Globulin

 23.4 nmol/L                                              11.2 - 78.1

Alb˙min

 3.8 g/dL                                                  3.0 - 5.0

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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2014, 04:14:15 pm »

+1, 100% correct. Love my cycling community. Posting something dumb like "cardio is a total waste of time" is just irresponsible.

 i put around 8.5 to 10 hours in on the bike a week, and race bikes - and i feel better than ever. I feel like my "engine," my cardiovascular system, is hyper aware and in stud form these days. My blood is flowing - i can just tell. It feels great. Check my V02 max post - i don't think you'll say "cardio is a waste of time" after that.

I wouldn't trade the health benefits of my 100-200miles a week on a bike and the great group of people I exercise with for just about anything.   I am n the best shape of my life mentally and physically largely because of both the comradery and hours I put on the bike and solo with headphones and miles of running.

There is a quality of life aspect to cardio and endurance training that you have to take into consideration also.  Then again maybe overall happiness and social interactions have nothing to do with longevity or quality of life.

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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2014, 04:58:01 pm »
Hi guys,

Unfortunately my english is not good enough to sustain a fluid debate, I think we are getting apart from the real purpose of physical exercise,that has nothing to do with the the social issue some of you adding ( There are a lot of other ways of socializing) . It is all about having the best muscle mass/body fat ratio and a healthy cardio vascular system. Any other purpose is useless scientifically speaking.
So I copied this article I read in the past when I was quitting "cardio" so you can read it if interested and you will see that I'm not that irresponsable at saying that cardio is a waste of time;all of this authors are far more qualified than me .There is a lot more to say but this article cover the fundamentals.

Best

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HIGH INTENSITY STRENGTH TRAINING:
MORE AEROBIC THAN "AEROBICS"

by Greg Anderson

The most common question asked by our new personal training clients at Ideal Exercise is: "Where are the treadmills and stationary bicycles?". Most have never heard that great benefits to the cardiovascular system, commonly referred to as "aerobic fitness", can be had through a program of high-intensity strength training with no additional steady-state activity. And while I do certainly spend a great deal of my time explaining why such benefits are certainly possible (and more desirable as it is much more efficient to achieve muscular and cardiovascular benefits in a single program) it usually takes a few workouts before the client understands the depth and magnitude of cardiovascular involvement possible from strength training. As one of my trainees remarked recently (after a set of squats to complete failure followed by 20 seconds of effort against the bar in the bottom position): "My God! (gasp, gasp...) this is more aerobic than aerobics..."

Although (as I shall explain) the statement that high-intensity strength training is "more aerobic than aerobics" is not entirely correct, such an observation on the trainee's part does underscore the profound effect of intense muscular contractions on the cardiovascular system. The current mania for "aerobics" in the fitness industry stems from a misunderstanding of two factors: The function of the cardiovascular system, and the identification of skeletal muscle as the window through which optimum loading of the entire metabolic system(s) --including the cardiovascular system--takes place.

 


A great deal of the misunderstanding of the function of the cardiovascular system arises from the use of the word "aerobics" to describe a particular exercise protocol. The term aerobic denotes a metabolic pathway within the body which yields energy through the oxidation of fat and carbohydrate. Literally, aerobic means: "with oxygen". Most of us have been taught that to exercise aerobically is to perform long duration steady-state activities which produce an elevated heart rate. Note that said participation of the heart and lungs is entirely dependent on muscular activity. Such low intensity activity is said to primarily stress the aerobic metabolic pathway and allow the body to use primarily fat as a fuel source. Additionally, "aerobics" is thought to provide an increase in endurance and provide a protective effect against coronary artery disease. While I will certainly agree that there are some marginal benefits to the cardiovascular system from a program of such activity, the reality is simply that these effects could be achieved in a safer and more efficient manner through the use of high-intensity strength training.

Many bodybuilders that I have spoken to believe that the inclusion of some type of "aerobic" activity in their program is necessary to achieve optimum leanness. I point out to them that from a bodybuilding standpoint, the issues at hand are both the amount of fat that you don't have and the amount of muscle that you do. Since it is very easy to overtrain by including too many exercises or too much additional activity, it seems that any slight fat loss achieved through steady state activity could be more than offset by compromising the ability to build (or even maintain) muscle as a result of overtraining. In fact, research on fat loss performed by Ellington Darden Ph.D. (and duplicated by Ideal Exercise) showed best results with the combination of high-intensity strength training with a reduced calorie diet and the total exclusion of steady state activities. As Mike Mentzer has pointed out, the body only has a limited amount of adaptation energy. It is not as if you have 100 units of adaptation energy for building muscle and 100 units available for increasing endurance; you have 100 units, period!

The following is a reprint of an article which we hand out to all of our new clients at Ideal Exercise...


Why not aerobics...?

"Aerobic" activity is not the most effective form of exercise for fat-loss. Steady state activities such as running, cycling, dancing, etc. do not burn a significant number of calories! One pound of fat can fuel the body for up to 10 hours of continuous activity. "Aerobic" activity is simply inefficient for this purpose!
The most important contribution that exercise makes to a fat-loss program is the maintenance of muscle tissue while fat is lost. Strength training is the only reliable method of maintaining muscle tissue. Aerobics can actually cause you to lose muscle tissue!
Some supposed "experts" have suggested that the important effect of aerobics is that of increasing metabolic rate. Our question is this: If "aerobic" activities burn few calories while you are doing them, then how many calories will they burn (calories burned = metabolic rate) when you are not doing them? The answer to that question is: very few...
On the subject of metabolic rate: Every pound of muscle added to the body of an adult female will require an additional 75-100 calories per day just to keep it alive. The average person, through a program of proper strength training can add enough muscle to burn an additional 3500 calories per week (1 lb. of fat = 3500 calories). The amount of strength training required to effect such a change is less than one hour per week.
"Aerobic" activities are dangerous! Running is an extremely high-force activity that is damaging to knees, hips, and back. Aerobic dance is probably worse. And so-called "low impact" classes or activities like stationary cycling are not necessarily low-force. Don't be fooled by the genetic exceptions who protest that they have never been injured-- overuse injuries are cumulative and we are often not aware that we have them until it is too late. In time, the enthusiastic aerobic-dance participant or jogger will probably pay the price for all that "healthy" activity. If that price is a decrease or loss of mobility in one's later years, then "aerobics" have effectively shortened the individual's life-span. Loss of mobility is often the first step toward loss of all biological competence.
Don't I need some form of aerobics to insure good health?
What about my heart?
Remember: The function of the cardiovascular system is to support the muscular system--not the other way around. If the human body is logical (and we assume that it is) then increases in muscular strength (from a proper strength-training program) will correlate to improvements in cardiovascular function.
You will notice that the word "aerobic" has been set off in quotation marks when it refers to an activity performed for exercise. There is a good reason for this emphasis: There is no such thing as aerobic exercise! We have all heard that activities such as jogging and cycling are "aerobic" while those such as weight training and sprinting are "anaerobic". These distinctions are not 100% correct. The words aerobic and anaerobic refer to metabolic pathways which operate continuously at all times and in all activities. You cannot "turn off" either of these pathways by merely increasing or decreasing the intensity of an activity.
A word on intensity: Few of the "experts" who promote aerobics will debate our last statement. What they do say, however, is that gentle low-intensity activities use the aerobic pathway to a greater degree than they use the anaerobic pathway. We agree with this statement completely and feel that it should be taken to its logical conclusion: The most "aerobic" activity that a human being can engage in is sleeping!
Consider this: Dr. Kenneth Cooper (author of Aerobics, The New Aerobics, Aerobics for Women), the US. Air Force Cardiologist who coined the term "aerobics" (meaning a form of exercise) and has promoted their use for over 25 years now admits that he was wrong! According to Dr. Cooper, further research has shown that there is no correlation between aerobic endurance performance and health, longevity, or protection against heart-disease. He will admit, however, that such activities do carry with them a great risk of injury. Further, he admits that gross-overuse activities such as running may be so damaging to the body as to be considered carcinogenic.
Irving Dardik, MD, former vascular surgeon, contends that: "The basic concept of aerobics conditioning is wrong." He also contends that the best way to train the vascular system is to build flexibility into its response by using short bouts of elevation followed by sudden recovery, then demanding activity again.
Elevated heart rate is not an indicator of exercise intensity, exercise effect, or exercise value. It is quite possible to experience an elevated pulse, labored breathing, and profuse sweating without achieving valuable exercise. Intense emotional experiences commonly cause these symptoms without a shred of exercise benefit.
Even if an elevated pulse is necessary for cardiovascular conditioning (we do not doubt that pulse elevation may be necessary, but we do not believe that it should be the emphasis of a conditioning program) remember that some of the highest heart-rates on record were achieved during Nautilus research performed at West Point. The West Point cadets commonly experienced heart rates in excess of 220 beats per minute during Nautilus exercise. These pulse rates were maintained for periods of 20-35 minutes.
What about endurance? Won't my athletic performance suffer if I don't do aerobics?
Endurance for athletics and recreational activities is primarily a result of three factors: skill, muscular strength, and genetics. Heritable factors (genetics) are considered to be non-trainable or, in other words, you cannot do much about them. Increasing one's skill in an activity is a result of practicing that activity. For long-distance runners skills such as stride length and efficiency can be trained through practice (practice on a treadmill doesn't serve this purpose as it is not the same as road-running). Muscular strength is the single most trainable factor in endurance performance. It is the muscles that actually perform work. When strength increases, the relative intensity of any given task decreases.
Athletes often talk about training their "wind". Actually our bodies' ability to use oxygen is not as trainable as once believed. Consider that in a resting state the lungs can saturate with oxygen the blood moving through them during the first one-third of the total transit time. At maximal exertion, saturation speed might slow to one-half of the total transit time. Even with some compromise of pulmonary function (illness, injury, etc.) the lungs can usually perform their job quite adequately. It is the muscle's ability to use the nutrients delivered to it that needs training. This is most efficiently addressed by strength-training.
More on the subject of "wind": Most exercise physiologists refer to the phenomenon of "wind" as maximal oxygen uptake. One Canadian researcher has determined that maximal oxygen uptake is 95.9% genetically determined.
A 1991 study at the University of Maryland showed that strength training produced improvements in cycling endurance performance independent of changes in oxygen consumption.
Covert Bailey, author of Fit or Fat and advocate of "gentle aerobic exercise" now recommends wind sprints to those seeking to become maximally fit. Why wind sprints? Because sprinting is a much more intense muscular activity than jogging. Why not wind sprints? Because as with other running, the risk of injury is just too great! Pulled hamstrings, sprained ankles, and damaged knees are too high of a price for a marginal increase in fitness. Strength training greatly increases the intensity of muscular activity (much more so than sprinting) and greatly reduces the risk of injury!
Ideal Exercise possesses signed testimonials from members who have improved their endurance performance for running, skiing, and other activities while following a program of high-intensity strength training and following this policy:
Aerobics... Just Say No!
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62 mgs of Sustenon weekly one IM shot
600 IU HGC  weekly divided in two SQ shots
6 click of  HGH daily
1 ml of Progesteron cream daily
Half pill of Arimidex once a week

Last lab tests

Progesterone,
1.50 ng/mL                                       0.21 - 1.54

Estradiol,
26 pg/mL                                              5 - 66

Testosterone Total

* 989.5 ng/dL                               142.0 - 923.0    ;D

Testosterone Libre (free)

 * 31.0 ng/dL                                     4.0 - 30.0      ;D

Testosterone Biodisponible

* 645.0 ng/dL                                        98.0 - 590.0

Sex Hormone Binding Globulin

 23.4 nmol/L                                              11.2 - 78.1

Alb˙min

 3.8 g/dL                                                  3.0 - 5.0

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