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factor5a

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Re: Injecting < 100 mg Per Week
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2015, 01:29:17 am »
I'm on around 62 mgs of sustenon once a week and look my numbers. More than 100 I think is to much.

Even with this low dose I have problems with my hemoglobin.

54 years

HRT  protocol

62 mgs of Sustenon weekly one IM shot
600 IU HGC  weekly divided in two SQ shots
6 click of  HGH daily
1 ml of Progesteron cream daily
Half pill of Arimidex once a week

Last lab tests

Progesterone,
1.50 ng/mL                                       0.21 - 1.54

Estradiol,
26 pg/mL                                              5 - 66

Testosterone Total

* 989.5 ng/dL                               142.0 - 923.0    ;D

Testosterone Libre (free)

 * 31.0 ng/dL                                     4.0 - 30.0      ;D

Testosterone Biodisponible

* 645.0 ng/dL                                        98.0 - 590.0

Sex Hormone Binding Globulin

 23.4 nmol/L                                              11.2 - 78.1

Alb˙min

 3.8 g/dL                                                  3.0 - 5.0

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Re: Injecting < 100 mg Per Week
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2015, 02:11:37 am »
Hold the phone.

I'm not 100% clear on the math here. 

100 mg of testosterone CYPIONATEů Is that really the same as 100 mg of testosterone?

My understanding (which may be completely incorrect) is that the ester is approximately 30% of test cyp.

So assuming this figure is correct, 100 mg of test cyp equates to 70 mg of testosterone.  Which would put the standard 100 mg dose pretty much right in line with the median natural production.

You are correct

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Re: Injecting < 100 mg Per Week
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Re: Injecting < 100 mg Per Week
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2015, 02:32:06 pm »
Hold the phone.

I'm not 100% clear on the math here. 

100 mg of testosterone CYPIONATEů Is that really the same as 100 mg of testosterone?

My understanding (which may be completely incorrect) is that the ester is approximately 30% of test cyp.

So assuming this figure is correct, 100 mg of test cyp equates to 70 mg of testosterone.  Which would put the standard 100 mg dose pretty much right in line with the median natural production.


'' 100mg of Cypionate yields ~ 68mg of actual testosterone. '' - http://www.defymedical.com/resources/health-articles/187-common-injectable-testosterone-esters
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Total T - 15.98 nmol/L

Free T  - 0.068 nmol/L

TSH   -  1.05 uUI/mL (0.27 - 4.2 )

Estradiol - 120.2 pmol/L

SHBG  - 6.95 nmol/L

DHEAS - 282.7 ug/dL

Free Urine Cortisol  - 388.8 nmol/24h  (100 - 379)

ACTH - 49.48 pg/mL

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Re: Injecting < 100 mg Per Week
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2015, 02:36:22 pm »
So what would you guys recommend to start with? (how much on first dose?)

I will be soon switch to injections, and I would like to do the 100 mg/week test cypionate protocol, 50 mg E3,5D . If am very low SHBG (6.95) - should I start lower ? 30mg ? 40mg ? Anyone with low SHBG and success on injections protocol ?
Age : 25
5' 7.5'' 163 lbs

Total T - 15.98 nmol/L

Free T  - 0.068 nmol/L

TSH   -  1.05 uUI/mL (0.27 - 4.2 )

Estradiol - 120.2 pmol/L

SHBG  - 6.95 nmol/L

DHEAS - 282.7 ug/dL

Free Urine Cortisol  - 388.8 nmol/24h  (100 - 379)

ACTH - 49.48 pg/mL

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Re: Injecting < 100 mg Per Week
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2015, 02:36:22 pm »


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Re: Injecting < 100 mg Per Week
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2015, 03:16:59 pm »
So what would you guys recommend to start with? (how much on first dose?)

I will be soon switch to injections, and I would like to do the 100 mg/week test cypionate protocol, 50 mg E3,5D . If am very low SHBG (6.95) - should I start lower ? 30mg ? 40mg ? Anyone with low SHBG and success on injections protocol ?

50mg every 3.5 days is a great starting protocol.  Just stay with that a few weeks, get retested and note your symptoms and make adjustments.  If you're low SHBG, then I'd consider subcutaneous injections, which massively drop the spike soon after injecting.  Actually, with SHBG that low, I'd consider injecting every other day (EOD) at whatever would equate to 100 mg per week for that injection day. 
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Re: Injecting < 100 mg Per Week
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2015, 03:40:38 pm »
So what would you guys recommend to start with? (how much on first dose?)

I will be soon switch to injections, and I would like to do the 100 mg/week test cypionate protocol, 50 mg E3,5D . If am very low SHBG (6.95) - should I start lower ? 30mg ? 40mg ? Anyone with low SHBG and success on injections protocol ?

50mg every 3.5 days is a great starting protocol.  Just stay with that a few weeks, get retested and note your symptoms and make adjustments.  If you're low SHBG, then I'd consider subcutaneous injections, which massively drop the spike soon after injecting.  Actually, with SHBG that low, I'd consider injecting every other day (EOD) at whatever would equate to 100 mg per week for that injection day.

I concure, that's very low SHBG and may necessitate EOD.

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Re: Injecting < 100 mg Per Week
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2015, 04:50:04 pm »
I'm on around 62 mgs of sustenon once a week and look my numbers. More than 100 I think is to much.

Even with this low dose I have problems with my hemoglobin.

Do  you have trouble even if you donate blood?  If so, you don't want to push the hemoglobin limit imo - dangerous. 

Any chance you are hyperthyroid?  It can bump up RBC's a bit:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Ways_To_Lower_Hemoglobin

If you're eating a lot of red meat, that can bump up the number a bit.  The research isn't really conclusive though - see above.  Makes sense that eating a bunch of heme iron probably won't help matters though.
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Re: Injecting < 100 mg Per Week
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2015, 08:05:25 pm »
I'm on around 62 mgs of sustenon once a week and look my numbers. More than 100 I think is to much.

Even with this low dose I have problems with my hemoglobin.

Do  you have trouble even if you donate blood?  If so, you don't want to push the hemoglobin limit imo - dangerous. 

Any chance you are hyperthyroid?  It can bump up RBC's a bit:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Ways_To_Lower_Hemoglobin

If you're eating a lot of red meat, that can bump up the number a bit.  The research isn't really conclusive though - see above.  Makes sense that eating a bunch of heme iron probably won't help matters though.



No Peak, I don't eat a lot of red meat. I eat once a week. If I donate blood obviously my numbers come down, but for me be below 17.5 I have to take out blood every two months. My number without HRT is around 16.8, also I live in Mexico city and we are around 7000 feet above sea level. That counts also.
54 years

HRT  protocol

62 mgs of Sustenon weekly one IM shot
600 IU HGC  weekly divided in two SQ shots
6 click of  HGH daily
1 ml of Progesteron cream daily
Half pill of Arimidex once a week

Last lab tests

Progesterone,
1.50 ng/mL                                       0.21 - 1.54

Estradiol,
26 pg/mL                                              5 - 66

Testosterone Total

* 989.5 ng/dL                               142.0 - 923.0    ;D

Testosterone Libre (free)

 * 31.0 ng/dL                                     4.0 - 30.0      ;D

Testosterone Biodisponible

* 645.0 ng/dL                                        98.0 - 590.0

Sex Hormone Binding Globulin

 23.4 nmol/L                                              11.2 - 78.1

Alb˙min

 3.8 g/dL                                                  3.0 - 5.0

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Re: Injecting < 100 mg Per Week
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2015, 10:19:23 pm »

No Peak, I don't eat a lot of red meat. I eat once a week. If I donate blood obviously my numbers come down, but for me be below 17.5 I have to take out blood every two months. My number without HRT is around 16.8, also I live in Mexico city and we are around 7000 feet above sea level. That counts also.

Noted.  Everyone tells me I have to visit Mexico City btw.  Well, except for the earthquakes!
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Re: Injecting < 100 mg Per Week
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2015, 07:31:48 pm »
You are welcome, amigo. ;D
54 years

HRT  protocol

62 mgs of Sustenon weekly one IM shot
600 IU HGC  weekly divided in two SQ shots
6 click of  HGH daily
1 ml of Progesteron cream daily
Half pill of Arimidex once a week

Last lab tests

Progesterone,
1.50 ng/mL                                       0.21 - 1.54

Estradiol,
26 pg/mL                                              5 - 66

Testosterone Total

* 989.5 ng/dL                               142.0 - 923.0    ;D

Testosterone Libre (free)

 * 31.0 ng/dL                                     4.0 - 30.0      ;D

Testosterone Biodisponible

* 645.0 ng/dL                                        98.0 - 590.0

Sex Hormone Binding Globulin

 23.4 nmol/L                                              11.2 - 78.1

Alb˙min

 3.8 g/dL                                                  3.0 - 5.0

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Re: Injecting < 100 mg Per Week
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2015, 10:48:25 pm »
Using Zinc balanced with copper may have its own pitfalls .

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=5763.msg47984#msg47984

This is interesting i remember seeing a video of Chrysler saying he " took a little extra " ( T) because he was a hyper excreter ( whatever that is  :))
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FSH 4.5 mUI/ml
Estradiol 17- Beta 30.2 pg/ml
Testosterone 3.8 ng/ml
Insulin 6.5 μUI/ml

TSH 1.582 μUI/ml
T4 Free .98 ng/dl
T3 Free  3.3 pg/ml

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LH 3.4 MUI/ml ( 1.5 - 9.3 )
Prolactin 4.7ng /ml ( 2.1 -17-7 )
Testosterona 6.4 ng/ml
Free Test.      25.93 pg/ml ( 10 - 42 )
DHEA 2.94 ng/ml (1.4 - 12-5 )
DHEA Sulfate 278 ug/dl
Cortisol 6.5 ug/dl

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Re: Injecting < 100 mg Per Week
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2015, 10:56:53 pm »
Using Zinc balanced with copper may have its own pitfalls .

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=5763.msg47984#msg47984

This is interesting i remember seeing a video of Chrysler saying he " took a little extra " ( T) because he was a hyper excreter ( whatever that is  :))

You have to super careful with copper imo.

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Re: Injecting < 100 mg Per Week
« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2017, 05:35:20 pm »
Hey guys. I realize this is an old thread. It's extremely interesting though. My question is. Seeing test is mixed with an ester, for example 100mgs if test cyp has about 70 mgs of actual testosterone. How has the doctor calculated 40-60 mgs a week?

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Re: Injecting < 100 mg Per Week
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2017, 11:37:18 pm »
Using Zinc balanced with copper may have its own pitfalls .

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=5763.msg47984#msg47984

This is interesting i remember seeing a video of Chrysler saying he " took a little extra " ( T) because he was a hyper excreter ( whatever that is  :))

It effectively means that your testosterone has a short half life.
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Re: Injecting < 100 mg Per Week
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2017, 10:41:44 am »
Hey guys. I realize this is an old thread. It's extremely interesting though. My question is. Seeing test is mixed with an ester, for example 100mgs if test cyp has about 70 mgs of actual testosterone. How has the doctor calculated 40-60 mgs a week?

By using the "on the label" amount, not the amount after fillers and ester has been subtracted.  Gordon is pushing to *mimic* natural testosterone levels to be close to that of the average healthy young male -- so levels around 700-800 ng/dl total T.  This is why he injects less. 
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Re: Injecting < 100 mg Per Week
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2017, 10:41:44 am »