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Arrhythmia and Whey
« on: February 17, 2015, 10:13:50 pm »
The abnormal heartbeat is sort of freaky though, I can feel it beating through my chest.  What should my next course of action be?


Are you eating Whey protein ?

54 years

HRT  protocol

62 mgs of Sustenon weekly one IM shot
600 IU HGC  weekly divided in two SQ shots
6 click of  HGH daily
1 ml of Progesteron cream daily
Half pill of Arimidex once a week

Last lab tests

Progesterone,
1.50 ng/mL                                       0.21 - 1.54

Estradiol,
26 pg/mL                                              5 - 66

Testosterone Total

* 989.5 ng/dL                               142.0 - 923.0    ;D

Testosterone Libre (free)

 * 31.0 ng/dL                                     4.0 - 30.0      ;D

Testosterone Biodisponible

* 645.0 ng/dL                                        98.0 - 590.0

Sex Hormone Binding Globulin

 23.4 nmol/L                                              11.2 - 78.1

Albúmin

 3.8 g/dL                                                  3.0 - 5.0

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Re: Arrhythmia and Whey
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2015, 10:18:00 pm »
Yea I am into bodybuilding, so I take in quite a bit. But I have taken whey for years.  Over 10

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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2015, 10:18:00 pm »


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Re: Arrhythmia and Whey
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2015, 11:57:32 pm »
Yea I am into bodybuilding, so I take in quite a bit. But I have taken whey for years.  Over 10

Me too,euphorixx1

But recently (2 months ago) I have been having very strange "heartbeats",exaclty the same as many years ago when I was having maltodextrin that was included in a protein shake I used to drink. I called a cardiologist and when I explained him my sympthoms, he told me that I must be eating something that was causing that,that it  was not a problem of my heart. Anyway,he asked me about if I was abusing on any starch and when I told him about maltodextrin, he told me that that was the problem. I quit on that and bingo! the problem dissapeared imediately.

Now, when I started having the problem again,I checked the ingredients on my actual protein shakes and also I went to forums and a lot o people blame certain whey proteins. I'm testing on switching to Casein and another brand of whey and I think I'm doing better.

I'll let you know but you can try changing your brand or checking if the one you are using has maltodextrin in it.
54 years

HRT  protocol

62 mgs of Sustenon weekly one IM shot
600 IU HGC  weekly divided in two SQ shots
6 click of  HGH daily
1 ml of Progesteron cream daily
Half pill of Arimidex once a week

Last lab tests

Progesterone,
1.50 ng/mL                                       0.21 - 1.54

Estradiol,
26 pg/mL                                              5 - 66

Testosterone Total

* 989.5 ng/dL                               142.0 - 923.0    ;D

Testosterone Libre (free)

 * 31.0 ng/dL                                     4.0 - 30.0      ;D

Testosterone Biodisponible

* 645.0 ng/dL                                        98.0 - 590.0

Sex Hormone Binding Globulin

 23.4 nmol/L                                              11.2 - 78.1

Albúmin

 3.8 g/dL                                                  3.0 - 5.0

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Re: Arrhythmia and Whey
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2015, 12:49:06 am »
Weird, I will look into that.  I have never had any issue prior to TRT.  hmmm, I will definitely think about this though.

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Re: Arrhythmia and Whey
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2015, 03:31:09 am »
I have morning anxiety when high, and low too. I get a few days sweet spot as I have swung between the two. When I was on a very high dose of Testosterone, I had little issue with anxiety. I just had too much water retention.

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Re: Arrhythmia and Whey
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2015, 05:31:54 pm »
Yea I am into bodybuilding, so I take in quite a bit. But I have taken whey for years.  Over 10

Me too,euphorixx1

But recently (2 months ago) I have been having very strange "heartbeats",exaclty the same as many years ago when I was having maltodextrin that was included in a protein shake I used to drink. I called a cardiologist and when I explained him my sympthoms, he told me that I must be eating something that was causing that,that it  was not a problem of my heart. Anyway,he asked me about if I was abusing on any starch and when I told him about maltodextrin, he told me that that was the problem. I quit on that and bingo! the problem dissapeared imediately.

Now, when I started having the problem again,I checked the ingredients on my actual protein shakes and also I went to forums and a lot o people blame certain whey proteins. I'm testing on switching to Casein and another brand of whey and I think I'm doing better.

I'll let you know but you can try changing your brand or checking if the one you are using has maltodextrin in it.

Wow!  Your post hit me like a ton of bricks.  This is not from maltodextrin more than likely imo.  Basically, commercial wheys are packed with free glutamine, because they put the whey under high heat.  Essentially, the are creating "MSG" in very high quantities.  This can spike your glutamate levels.

Now the brain is largely protected by the blood brain barrier except for a part of the hypothalamus.  However, guess what is NOT protected from these high glutamate levels?  That's right - the nodes in your heart!

Sure enough, I looked it up and excitoxin exposure is reported widely to cause arrhythmias.  Now it could be from the maltodextrin, as they sometimes boil this, but its' much more likely from the commercial whey itself.

I talk about this extensively here:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Whey_Excitotoxins_Glutamic_Acid

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_Monosodium_Glutamate_Excitoxins

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Excitotoxin_Syndrome

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/MSG_Dose

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/MSG_Risks

Finally, I'll bet if you consumed CFM (undenatured) whey, you would not have had this issue:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Whey_Undenatured

One thing I haven't researched: 

Whey can spike insulin a little bit I believe.  Could this cause arrhymias?  I don't know....

One last thing:

Some men can get arrhythmias from the high keytone levels in low carb.  I know you're not low carb, Factor5a, and are a carb backloader.  But this is an issue that has shown up in the research and an animal study shows that it may be somewhat hard on the heart:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Low_Carb_Arrhythmias
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Re: Arrhythmia and Whey
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2015, 05:52:36 pm »
Yea I am into bodybuilding, so I take in quite a bit. But I have taken whey for years.  Over 10

Me too,euphorixx1

But recently (2 months ago) I have been having very strange "heartbeats",exaclty the same as many years ago when I was having maltodextrin that was included in a protein shake I used to drink. I called a cardiologist and when I explained him my sympthoms, he told me that I must be eating something that was causing that,that it  was not a problem of my heart. Anyway,he asked me about if I was abusing on any starch and when I told him about maltodextrin, he told me that that was the problem. I quit on that and bingo! the problem dissapeared imediately.

Now, when I started having the problem again,I checked the ingredients on my actual protein shakes and also I went to forums and a lot o people blame certain whey proteins. I'm testing on switching to Casein and another brand of whey and I think I'm doing better.

I'll let you know but you can try changing your brand or checking if the one you are using has

maltodextrin in it.

Wow!  Your post hit me like a ton of bricks.  This is not from maltodextrin more than likely imo.  Basically, commercial wheys are packed with free glutamine, because they put the whey under high heat.  Essentially, the are creating "MSG" in very high quantities.  This can spike your glutamate levels.

Now the brain is largely protected by the blood brain barrier except for a part of the hypothalamus.  However, guess what is NOT protected from these high glutamate levels?  That's right - the nodes in your heart!

Sure enough, I looked it up and excitoxin exposure is reported widely to cause arrhythmias.  Now it could be from the maltodextrin, as they sometimes boil this, but its' much more likely from the commercial whey itself.

I talk about this extensively here:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Whey_Excitotoxins_Glutamic_Acid

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_Monosodium_Glutamate_Excitoxins

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Excitotoxin_Syndrome

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/MSG_Dose

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/MSG_Risks

Finally, I'll bet if you consumed CFM (undenatured) whey, you would not have had this issue:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Whey_Undenatured

One thing I haven't researched: 

Whey can spike insulin a little bit I believe.  Could this cause arrhymias?  I don't know....

One last thing:

Some men can get arrhythmias from the high keytone levels in low carb.  I know you're not low carb, Factor5a, and are a carb backloader.  But this is an issue that has shown up in the research and an animal study shows that it may be somewhat hard on the heart:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Low_Carb_Arrhythmias


My english Peak !!!!!!

I need some explanation. What do you mean by  "This is not from maltodextrin more than likely imo" ?

"MSG" ???

I need to clarify that at that moment, when I had the problem, I was getting my carbs mostly from Maltodextrin because I was doing an experiment and when the cardiologist told me about it and I quit, the problem dissapered.

We are talking about 15 years ago,since then I didn't have the problem again, and I rely on protein shakes a lot. There is where 75 percent of my protein intake comes from.

The protein powder I consumed for a long time never caused me this problem until 3 months ago and it

These companies even that they are leaders in the field I bet they don't have a very strong supervision from the health authorities son maybe they vary their formulas when they dont have certain ingredient available.

Bottom line, I recently changed brands and backed off a lot on whey and started with casein and think I'm doing better.

But believe me . In the past as a soon I stoped with the maltodextrin, the problem disspeared the next day.And I kept with the same protein in the same quantities as always.


About carbs, you are a little bit wrong,amigo ;D I'm sort of low carb. Not very low,but low during weekdays and then I load heavy on friday and SAturday but I have been always like this,so you can eliminate this posssibility.

Thanks for the links,I'll read them. I never saw them in the website.

Gracias !
« Last Edit: February 18, 2015, 06:01:35 pm by PeakT »
54 years

HRT  protocol

62 mgs of Sustenon weekly one IM shot
600 IU HGC  weekly divided in two SQ shots
6 click of  HGH daily
1 ml of Progesteron cream daily
Half pill of Arimidex once a week

Last lab tests

Progesterone,
1.50 ng/mL                                       0.21 - 1.54

Estradiol,
26 pg/mL                                              5 - 66

Testosterone Total

* 989.5 ng/dL                               142.0 - 923.0    ;D

Testosterone Libre (free)

 * 31.0 ng/dL                                     4.0 - 30.0      ;D

Testosterone Biodisponible

* 645.0 ng/dL                                        98.0 - 590.0

Sex Hormone Binding Globulin

 23.4 nmol/L                                              11.2 - 78.1

Albúmin

 3.8 g/dL                                                  3.0 - 5.0

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Re: Arrhythmia and Whey
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2015, 05:59:05 pm »
ANyone trying the Whey isolate(?)...? I get some arrythmia I have a diagnosed heart condition but I normally associate any discomfort to salt, sugar or simply eating too much at one time.

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Re: Arrhythmia and Whey
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2015, 06:05:12 pm »
Noted Factor5a.  Yeah, it doesn't sound like whey was the issue for you but rather maltodextrin.  Of course, God only knows what they do to that corn starch, so who knows?

Also, I was careful to say SOME men on low carb get arrhythmias.  I know that not all do.  But, again, there is an animal study that shows that the ketones weaken the heart and leave it more vulnerable under the stress of a heart attack.

MSG = monosodium glutamate

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/es/Testosterona_Glutamato_Monosodico_Excitotoxinas

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/es/Suero_Excitotoxinas
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Re: Arrhythmia and Whey
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2015, 03:47:49 am »
Factor5a:

Okay, this is interesting.  Check this out about maltodextrin:

http://www.iwcenters.com/maltodextrin-what/

"Maltodextrin is a sweet carbohydrate food additive that comes from primarily corn or rice starch. It can also come from wheat and potatoes.  Maltodextrin gives a fat-like body to food products, increases their shelf life, and mixes quite well with other ingredients. It’s also cheap to produce as well as add to products. The food industry and the diet focused food products love this ingredient because they can use it in their food and say ‘low’ or ‘no sugar’. Though not a sugar, it still has a GI (glycemic index) of 130 by itself (table sugar is only 65)!  The glycemic index is a measurement of how quickly blood sugar rises after eating it.  It’s high glycemic index, which creates a huge upswing in blood sugar, results in a huge upswing of a hormone insulin.  Insulin is the hormone secreted from your pancreas which is responsible for making sure the sugar levels in your blood are at an optimal level. I am sure many of you have heard of diabetics who have to take insulin to regulate their sugars. The long term effect of constantly eating foods containing maltodextrin is that your body will begin to secrete more and more insulin."

Okay, I know what you were up to!   ;D
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Re: Arrhythmia and Whey
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2015, 01:48:44 pm »
Factor5a:

Okay, this is interesting.  Check this out about maltodextrin:

http://www.iwcenters.com/maltodextrin-what/

"Maltodextrin is a sweet carbohydrate food additive that comes from primarily corn or rice starch. It can also come from wheat and potatoes.  Maltodextrin gives a fat-like body to food products, increases their shelf life, and mixes quite well with other ingredients. It’s also cheap to produce as well as add to products. The food industry and the diet focused food products love this ingredient because they can use it in their food and say ‘low’ or ‘no sugar’. Though not a sugar, it still has a GI (glycemic index) of 130 by itself (table sugar is only 65)!  The glycemic index is a measurement of how quickly blood sugar rises after eating it.  It’s high glycemic index, which creates a huge upswing in blood sugar, results in a huge upswing of a hormone insulin.  Insulin is the hormone secreted from your pancreas which is responsible for making sure the sugar levels in your blood are at an optimal level. I am sure many of you have heard of diabetics who have to take insulin to regulate their sugars. The long term effect of constantly eating foods containing maltodextrin is that your body will begin to secrete more and more insulin."

Okay, I know what you were up to!   ;D




Interesting, Peak

But it doesn't talk anythin about arrhytmia. Anyway, nowadays my problem is for sure with Whey because I'm not eating Maltodextrin at all. I'm reading your articles on Whey, very interesting.

VinnAY is asking about isolates, there are some varieties, of isolates, what da ya think ?

I myself am trying with caseins


54 years

HRT  protocol

62 mgs of Sustenon weekly one IM shot
600 IU HGC  weekly divided in two SQ shots
6 click of  HGH daily
1 ml of Progesteron cream daily
Half pill of Arimidex once a week

Last lab tests

Progesterone,
1.50 ng/mL                                       0.21 - 1.54

Estradiol,
26 pg/mL                                              5 - 66

Testosterone Total

* 989.5 ng/dL                               142.0 - 923.0    ;D

Testosterone Libre (free)

 * 31.0 ng/dL                                     4.0 - 30.0      ;D

Testosterone Biodisponible

* 645.0 ng/dL                                        98.0 - 590.0

Sex Hormone Binding Globulin

 23.4 nmol/L                                              11.2 - 78.1

Albúmin

 3.8 g/dL                                                  3.0 - 5.0

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Re: Arrhythmia and Whey
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2015, 05:26:11 pm »
Factor5a:

Okay, this is interesting.  Check this out about maltodextrin:

http://www.iwcenters.com/maltodextrin-what/

"Maltodextrin is a sweet carbohydrate food additive that comes from primarily corn or rice starch. It can also come from wheat and potatoes.  Maltodextrin gives a fat-like body to food products, increases their shelf life, and mixes quite well with other ingredients. It’s also cheap to produce as well as add to products. The food industry and the diet focused food products love this ingredient because they can use it in their food and say ‘low’ or ‘no sugar’. Though not a sugar, it still has a GI (glycemic index) of 130 by itself (table sugar is only 65)!  The glycemic index is a measurement of how quickly blood sugar rises after eating it.  It’s high glycemic index, which creates a huge upswing in blood sugar, results in a huge upswing of a hormone insulin.  Insulin is the hormone secreted from your pancreas which is responsible for making sure the sugar levels in your blood are at an optimal level. I am sure many of you have heard of diabetics who have to take insulin to regulate their sugars. The long term effect of constantly eating foods containing maltodextrin is that your body will begin to secrete more and more insulin."

Okay, I know what you were up to!   ;D




Interesting, Peak

But it doesn't talk anythin about arrhytmia. Anyway, nowadays my problem is for sure with Whey because I'm not eating Maltodextrin at all. I'm reading your articles on Whey, very interesting.

VinnAY is asking about isolates, there are some varieties, of isolates, what da ya think ?

I myself am trying with caseins

Ha ha.  You're right - I left out the most important part:

Maltodextrin could easily cause hypoglycemia and hypoglycemia can cause palpitations.  This is actually common in diabetics and can lead to increase heart mortality.  I have the studies in my arrhythmia page.

If the whey, it will almost always say if it is undenatured or CFM (micro-filtered) instead of heated.  If it doesn't say anything, it will probably be heated at high temps and you will lose all the good stuff in the whey.
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Re: Arrhythmia and Whey
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2015, 08:21:25 pm »
Maltodextrin could easily cause hypoglycemia and hypoglycemia can cause palpitations.
May just be me but i think its a good idea to own a glucose meter, from time to time i have issues with glucose levels dropping and it makes it easy for me to check when i have the issues instead of maybe several days later when the doctor have some time over to draw blood.

After checking glucose levels i have made some minor changes to my life to avoid crashing glucose levels which could happen when i was out driving or walking in a store so properly handled it can make life a little less hard.
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2015, 05:30:03 am »
After checking glucose levels i have made some minor changes to my life to avoid crashing glucose levels which could happen when i was out driving or walking in a store so properly handled it can make life a little less hard.

When do you notice the hypoglycemia?  I mean at what levels?
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Re: Arrhythmia and Whey
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2015, 05:53:18 am »
When do you notice the hypoglycemia?  I mean at what levels?
It changes but when i feel glucose levels drop its always been below 4.5 mmol/l,  i felt very bad one day when i had 4 mmol/l and was active, i have also  been down to 2.3 mmol/l after 16 hours inactivity, no food and then injected with insulin and felt ok but was sweating like crazy.

I have periods when im very sensitive to low glucose and must be carefull with how i eat while i also have periods when im very insensitive and can spend 15 hours in a garage without food and still feel fine, dont know whats behind it.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2015, 05:56:25 am by Sighalot »

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