Quantcast

Author Topic: First Post, Taking Clomid  (Read 21250 times)

FightLowT

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 126
    • View Profile
Re: First Post, Taking Clomid
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2012, 03:57:02 am »
I have also tried clomid restarts which have lasted for about 6 weeks at 50 mg per day. My Free testosterone went from 11.3 pg/ml 9 AM to 16.5 pg/ml 5 PM. That's pretty impressive if you figure the 16.5 pg/ml evening draw might have been roughly 30% lower than what an AM reading typically is. My levels like most men who are secondary also drop back down into the problem areas and I experience all the same symptoms. I will say  though I have had levels stay elevated for close to two months once the SERM use is discontinued and thought "could it be possible my body has normalized" but the levels fall back again eventually. Symptoms once again reappear and the bloodwork confirms this.


This really sucks for many secondary men who respond to clomid but the clomid fails to reset the HPTA. However this points out some important factors that should be addressed. We know that our pituitaries will secrete LH in response to GNRH and we know our testicles still work, but it seems the hypothalamus isn't sending adequate GNRH pulses without the pituitary being fooled by blinding it to estrogen detection with a SERM. There seems to be a malfunction between the hypothalamus and pituitary. I'm leaning more towards a damaged hypothalamus as being the culprit for many of us. 

feelgood

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 565
    • View Profile
Re: First Post, Taking Clomid
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2012, 09:21:05 pm »
yeah, it is interesting to think why us guys, like me and you and so many others, who are otherwise healthy, have a T issue yet the leydig cells and what not DO work and respond when LH surging stuff like clomid is added...And yes i'm sure you're onto it - simply broken or off-kilter piece of piping inside, likely in the hypo...

million dollar question is how to "fix" that...ahh, the future.

Peak Testosterone Forum

Re: First Post, Taking Clomid
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2012, 09:21:05 pm »


avacado

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 76
    • View Profile
Re: First Post, Taking Clomid
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2012, 10:16:03 am »
http://www.ergo-log.com/clomid-testosterone.html

This kind of study makes me want to give a 25mg run a try. Not that is get any help from UK doctors here. Just to feel what possibly doubling test can feel like. I know we don't advocate self treating here but I would love to confirm if all my symptoms are test related. A bodybuilding friend can source Clomid easily. But first I will wait on the outcome of my ultrasound and adrenal stress test.

Guys on Clomid, did your notice and increase in libido/morning wood/confidence? When you go off it do you just go back to baseline or is there a crash like you'd get from real test due to suppression

henngiss

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 87
    • View Profile
Re: First Post, Taking Clomid
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2012, 01:11:26 pm »
hi, i saw the gp yesterday.  he doesn't agree with the endo and thinks she is outside of her area of expertise.  the gp agrees that my one testicle just is not enough to do the job.  he will keep me on clomid until i can get to another specialist that he recommends.  This is a endo/urologist and i may get in next week.  the new endo specializes in treating men with hormone problems.  i feel hopeful about this new doctor.  meanwhile i am continuing to take 25mg of clomid every day.  yesterday was not a great day, but i seem to be very sensitive to changes in routine.  i didn't get a lot of sleep for a couple of nights and was working my body harder than usual.  maybe i just got worn out again.  hopefully today is a better day.  i have been waiting as long as possible before taking my clomid.  so i have been taking it in the afternoon.  i may take clomid this morning to try to get back on track.

Peak Testosterone Forum

Re: First Post, Taking Clomid
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2012, 01:11:26 pm »


PeakT

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 38446
    • View Profile
    • Peak Testosterone
Re: First Post, Taking Clomid
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2012, 03:53:51 pm »
Glad things are at least moving in the right direction.
THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE BOOK ON TRT/TESTOSTERONE:
https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Versus-Testosterone-Therapy-Myer/dp/1523210532/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499116128&sr=8-1&keywords=natural+versus+testosterone+therapy
And check out my New Peak Testosterone Program: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/peak_testosterone_program
If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements.  And low testosterone is a medical condition.

henngiss

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 87
    • View Profile
Re: First Post, Taking Clomid
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2012, 12:57:16 pm »
thanks, i have been struggling at night the past few days.  so far with clomid, i get through the day without the extreme fatigue, and i can get some work done.  i fade fast in the evening though, just going through the motions until i just fall asleep.  i had hoped that taking clomid later in the day would be helpful, but that hasn't mattered so far.  i can't wait to see the new doctor.  maybe i am feeling the effects of going off the celexa and valium as well?  I have not taken either since 10/23.  hopefully i can continue to skate by without them until i see the next doctor.  i wish everybody here good health.

henngiss

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 87
    • View Profile
Re: First Post, Taking Clomid
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2012, 07:53:03 pm »
I'm still at the stage of finding it hard to believe that testosterone is my problem (and it doesn't help when the endo is telling me that I'm stupid to think low T could be my issue).  So I am still sceptical that clomid will continue to work like it has.  This is especially true after trying all kinds of pills that work at first and then stop working.  So far though, the results are remarkable.  I was feeling worse and worse as this morning went along.  I started thinking "well here we go, back into the lonely pit of pain".  So I took my 25mg dose of clomid early, a couple of hours ago.  The clomid stopped the freefall right in its tracks.  I feel an incredible amount better now.  I can keep getting through the day!  Thank you clomid!  I feel hopeful for the first time in a really long time.

feelgood

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 565
    • View Profile
Re: First Post, Taking Clomid
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2012, 08:01:06 pm »
that's great to hear...maybe T really IS this issue...don't discount it.

and maybe the clomid is blocking estrogen in the right places for you at the same time, which could help.

PeakT

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 38446
    • View Profile
    • Peak Testosterone
Re: First Post, Taking Clomid
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2012, 10:04:23 pm »
I'm still at the stage of finding it hard to believe that testosterone is my problem (and it doesn't help when the endo is telling me that I'm stupid to think low T could be my issue).  So I am still sceptical that clomid will continue to work like it has.  This is especially true after trying all kinds of pills that work at first and then stop working.  So far though, the results are remarkable.  I was feeling worse and worse as this morning went along.  I started thinking "well here we go, back into the lonely pit of pain".  So I took my 25mg dose of clomid early, a couple of hours ago.  The clomid stopped the freefall right in its tracks.  I feel an incredible amount better now.  I can keep getting through the day!  Thank you clomid!  I feel hopeful for the first time in a really long time.

Many antiaging and progressive physicians now say that most men can solve all (or darn close) their classic symptomology (erectile dysfunction, lack of morning erections, low libido, brain fog, anxiety and depression, etc.) through simple HRT, estradiol control and maybe a pinch of Cialis.  The key, from what I'm hearing, is that

1) testosterone must be high enough

2) estradiol must be controlled in approximately the 20-30 range

and

3) enough time must be given in some cases to rebuild tissues, overcome venous leakage, etc. 

Now I can't advise anyone to go on HRT, an AI, etc. - that's an involved decision between a man and his (hopefully knowledgeable) physician and I certainly don't have a crystal ball to see if there might be issues in the future.  But I'm just being a good reporter and pointing out that docs are saying they are having very good results using very simple strategies that rely mostly on hormones.
THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE BOOK ON TRT/TESTOSTERONE:
https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Versus-Testosterone-Therapy-Myer/dp/1523210532/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499116128&sr=8-1&keywords=natural+versus+testosterone+therapy
And check out my New Peak Testosterone Program: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/peak_testosterone_program
If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements.  And low testosterone is a medical condition.

henngiss

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 87
    • View Profile
Re: First Post, Taking Clomid
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2012, 01:02:48 pm »
the blood tests came back and my total T was in the 500s.  My free T was in the 80s.  based on this, and the fact my symptoms are improved, the endo gave me a rx for clomid.  Her plan is for me to take clomid until my appointment on 1/14/13.  I am glad she kept me on clomid, but I still have low confidence in her.  I'm still working on getting in with the new endo/uro hopefully soon.  I have the impression that i am slowly improving overall now.  Work has not been so painfully difficult as it was.  It is a good thing too, as I have tight deadlines coming up and need to function reasonably well.  It is interesting because I took this job less than five months ago thinking it would be easy and low stress.  I needed something easy since I was not functioning well.  However, this is the hardest job I have ever had.  Ironically, I think that pushed me to see the doctor again and to try to get to the bottom of my problems.  My job is hard but I really like it.  I don't want to lose my job because of my health issues.  Things seem to be coming together.  now then, how do I work things out at home?  that is my next hurdle...

PeakT

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 38446
    • View Profile
    • Peak Testosterone
Re: First Post, Taking Clomid
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2012, 05:56:55 pm »
Keep fighting the fight.  If you can convey what you just wrote above to your wife/gf, you should be in good shape.  Most women like to see a fighter.  We all admire someone who works his way through adversity and cares enough to make their way through the fog and pain of it all.

Hey, I can't remember your dietary regimen, but I cannot emphasize enough how important diet and proper nutrients are to brain function.  It is every bit as important as testosterone.  Blueberries, lots of superfoods, good blood flow and a broad range of nutrients, especially vits C/E and the B vitamins are critical.  (As an aside, watch out for excess iron and copper if you want to remember your phone # and the names of your kids past the age of 60.)  And remember that exercise has been found to boost brain T levels which is critical for neuronal regeneration.  And, of course, I don't need to tell you how critical sleep is to memory and neurotransmitter function.

So start putting the whole package together, if you haven't already of course, and pretty soon you'll be dazzling your coworkers...
THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE BOOK ON TRT/TESTOSTERONE:
https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Versus-Testosterone-Therapy-Myer/dp/1523210532/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499116128&sr=8-1&keywords=natural+versus+testosterone+therapy
And check out my New Peak Testosterone Program: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/peak_testosterone_program
If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements.  And low testosterone is a medical condition.

henngiss

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 87
    • View Profile
Re: First Post, Taking Clomid
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2012, 07:57:07 pm »
Thanks,

My wife has hormone issues of her own, so that is part of the problem.  Also, she is fed up with my years of unending lack of motivation.  If I can feel better enough, and get some things done at home, and not fall asleep all over the place, then things should improve on their own with time.  My kids tell me all I ever do is sleep, it is very sad.  I am feeling much better at work, and some better at home as well over the last two weeks.  Of course, I have lived this way for so long now (almost 30 years), that I have my doubts this will work long term.  It will take time for me to feel safe to get my hopes up that high.  I don't want my hopes to be crushed in a instant, so I keep them down a little, for now.  I will continue to do what I can.  I was running often up until a month or so ago, then I just started sleeping instead.  I plan to get back into regular exercise.  I eat fairly well, try to limit sugar and maximize vegatables/fruit.  I can certain improve my diet as well though.  I generally make sure I get plenty of sleep.  Finances have been an issue, so I keep thinking "when I feel better I'll do more work on the side".  I'm not sure about that though.  I like the stress level of my job now.  I work hard for 8 hours, feeling the pressure to produce results, and then I just walk away.  The work is important to me as well.  If I add outside work, I will make more money, but I'll add extra negative stress.  I may just do my main job, wait for raises in a couple of years, then I should be ok with finances.  I can just find a way to get by in the meantime.

PeakT

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 38446
    • View Profile
    • Peak Testosterone
Re: First Post, Taking Clomid
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2012, 12:58:21 am »
Okay, sorry to hear about all the different things going on there.  Finances, women problems and then some obvious health issues just to complete the package.  Actually, I've been there!  I try to forget those days. 

I just want to encourage you to focus on the health.  I cannot tell you what a difference it will make.  Everything can work out in time if you can get your health into place.  It might take a 6 months or a year to iron things out with your wife and it might take you several years to get your finances in order.  But that can only happen if you have good energy levels, alertness, etc. 

I realize that I'm telling you what you already know, but, again, I've been there and don't regret making that decision X years ago for one minute...
THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE BOOK ON TRT/TESTOSTERONE:
https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Versus-Testosterone-Therapy-Myer/dp/1523210532/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499116128&sr=8-1&keywords=natural+versus+testosterone+therapy
And check out my New Peak Testosterone Program: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/peak_testosterone_program
If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements.  And low testosterone is a medical condition.

henngiss

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 87
    • View Profile
Re: First Post, Taking Clomid
« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2012, 12:37:14 pm »
Thanks for the kind words Lee,

I believe you are correct, if I can get my health in order everything else will fall in place.  Or at least good health will be the foundation to rebuild the rest of my life on.  I will just focus my effort on my health for now.  It may be surprising how much easier the rest becomes, if I can improve my health enough.

« Last Edit: November 10, 2012, 03:54:27 pm by PeakT »

adam1973

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 180
    • View Profile
Re: First Post, Taking Clomid
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2012, 09:44:42 pm »
Hi,

I am so happy that I found this forum!  I am also thankful for this website.  There is much that I could say, but my current issue involves the endocrinologist that I am seeing.  My testosterone has been around 280 every time it has been tested since 2007.  The endo is convinced that I have anxiety and that is causing my low T levels.  She reluctantly agreed to put me on clomid 50mg/day for one week.  I am convinced that the clomid is working.  I had a blood test done yesterday, but the doctor wants to take me off the clomid until the results come back.  Apparently she, again reluctantly, wrote a prescription for 10 pills of 25mg for the next ten days.  I need to check with the pharmacy to see if the rx is there.  I plan to get another doctor asap.  Why would the doctor be so stingy with the clomid.  Other doctors have no problem giving me valium or klonopin.  Surely clomid is safer than valium?  I don't understand why there are so many professionals that don't think low T is really that big of a deal.  I guess that's why we need this forum.

Thanks

I am male 39 years old, 180, 5'11", I run 9+ miles a week and workout with free weights. I also very recently had my blood tested for Testosterone. I wanted to get tested because I wanted to know where my test levels were. Many weeks (more like months) before I went to the Dr. I was doing research on what type of Anabolic Steroid I might take. I was considering taking AAS because of the issues with workout recovery. I have done AAS (15 years ago) before with excellent results. I stumbled onto many resources touting the positive effects of clomid for men. I ordered the clomid (specifically fertomid-25 90 pills) from an online pharmacy. It arrived and  I started taking 25mg every other day. Withing two weeks I was feeling much better (no fog) morning and night wood again. I thought to myself wow maybe there is something wrong with my test levels. I stopped taking the clomid made an appointment with my GP. I told the doctor that I was disinterested in sex and that it took 3-4 days to recover from working out with weights plus insomnia (Ive had sleep issues for 7+ years). I did not tell the doctor I had been taking clomid and what effect it had on me. I did ask him if he has heard of men taking clomid. He said yes but only for fertility issues. Anyway he gives me the OK to get the blood work done Test, FSH, LH, I wait for about 3 weeks (from the last clomid pill taken) before I get by blood drawn. Immediately after the blood was taken from me I started up with the clomid again at 25mg EOD. Two weeks later my doctor calls me and informs me my test level was 194 and that my FSH & LH are "normal" and that I should start taking test shots. I tell him I would really like to take clomid. He says "No Way". I tell him I am already taking it at 25mg eod and I feel good. He was not happy about my decision and says he will retest me in mid february 2013. I am not happy about this. SO I made an appointment with another Dr. (in the same clinic) for 11/19/2013. I am going to tell this doctor I want another blood test this time I want everything tested. Specifically I want to know how the clomid has effected my Testosterone, LH, & FSH now that I have been on it for more than one month. I want to rule out placebo.

Other results of taking the clomid:
My sleep issues are a little better.
I feel a bit more energetic.
Sex, sex was really never an issue (my wife & I bonk 3-4 times a week) for me until the past year. I was always a horn dog. However over the past year there were times when I just didnt care for it. Sometimes I would not be able to rise to the occasion (but that was rare). Now I want sex but I dont care if I get it or not. No issues with getting hard as a rock.

Peak Testosterone Forum

Re: First Post, Taking Clomid
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2012, 09:44:42 pm »