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JackAndy

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On the shots, all symptoms gone. But long term?
« on: November 30, 2012, 02:25:47 pm »
I can sleep 8 hours a night now solid and don't feel tired, I can concentrate better, not as depressed or angry, have way more energy during the day, the libido seems to have finally come around (although that took quitting Internet pornography) and most importantly I'm not having another pulmonary embolism lol. I really feel like a new person.
But I know that I have to keep taking these shots for the rest of my life if I want to continue to have the benefits. I don't want to damage my body and I'm worried about the HPTA and testes.  I take HCG 500 IU twice a week also so I guess my balls aren't going to shrivel into raisins and make me impotent. But what about the HPTA?
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Re: On the shots, all symptoms gone. But long term?
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2012, 04:52:40 pm »
I can sleep 8 hours a night now solid and don't feel tired, I can concentrate better, not as depressed or angry, have way more energy during the day, the libido seems to have finally come around (although that took quitting Internet pornography) and most importantly I'm not having another pulmonary embolism lol. I really feel like a new person.
Congrats!

But I know that I have to keep taking these shots for the rest of my life if I want to continue to have the benefits.
True unless they come up with some miracle solution to jumpstart secondary folks.  I don't think they will, though, as my guess is that it comes from actual damage that they do not understand het.

I don't want to damage my body and I'm worried about the HPTA and testes.
What damage are you worried about?  I don't know of any evidence that it damages any of this.  Yes, it shuts down some testicular production, but in general it doesn't shut it down completely.  Now I don't have crystal ball to tell you that there won't be any issues discovered with HRT down the road.  But I do not of any evidence regarding "HPTA damage".  If you know of something, let us know.

Again, the big concern was prostate cancer and that is looking very positive to date imo.  Talk to your doc though...

so I guess my balls aren't going to shrivel into raisins and make me impotent.
If you raise the T pretty high, you'll get some shrinkage.  But saying they are going to "turn into raisins" is a gross exaggeration imo.  Do you really think most women care if your boys shrink a little if your libido is high, you are rock hard and your mood is elevated from abundant testosterone? 

In my opinion, the HCG is for men to feel good about themselves.  I seriously doubt that women could care.  Seriously, if you met a woman who was a B+ cup instead of a C- cup but she was great in bed with high libido and mood, would you care?   
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Re: On the shots, all symptoms gone. But long term?
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2012, 04:52:40 pm »


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Re: On the shots, all symptoms gone. But long term?
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2012, 12:13:31 am »
What damage are you worried about?  I don't know of any evidence that it damages any of this.  Yes, it shuts down some testicular production, but in general it doesn't shut it down completely.  Now I don't have crystal ball to tell you that there won't be any issues discovered with HRT down the road.  But I do not of any evidence regarding "HPTA damage".  If you know of something, let us know.

Again, the big concern was prostate cancer and that is looking very positive to date imo.  Talk to your doc though...
HPTA damage. I'm afraid that if I'm on TRT long enough that my HPTA won't be able to be restarted ever and that there might be more problems with other hormones that it regulates. True? False? I guess you're saying false but will the HPTA be able to be restarted?

If you raise the T pretty high, you'll get some shrinkage.  But saying they are going to "turn into raisins" is a gross exaggeration imo.  Do you really think most women care if your boys shrink a little if your libido is high, you are rock hard and your mood is elevated from abundant testosterone? 

In my opinion, the HCG is for men to feel good about themselves.  I seriously doubt that women could care.  Seriously, if you met a woman who was a B+ cup instead of a C- cup but she was great in bed with high libido and mood, would you care?

You think the HCG is just for the looks? A lot of guys were saying it improves their libido and sense of well being. I never had the shrinkage yet so I just started HCG for the libido and sense of well being benefits, and it seems to be working although I started it early and in the beginning I was a little up and down with my mood on the T.
If you let your testicles atrophy for a long period of time and infertility results, will they come back in the future if you want them to? Mood aside, I guess that's the important question.
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Re: On the shots, all symptoms gone. But long term?
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2012, 12:53:56 am »
Just got a sec:

Testosterone will very likely boost your libido and the studies show in a dose-dependent manner.  (See my book if you are int'd in the studies.)  So I just don't see the point of HCG in this regard.  If I am missing something, someone can correct me.

Talk to your doc, but my understanding of the current state of affairs is that the HPTA can rarely be jumpstarted anyway.  So no one even thinks of that aspect. 

Yes, as far as fertility, testosterone therapy usually decreases fertility substantially.
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Re: On the shots, all symptoms gone. But long term?
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2013, 06:40:18 pm »

Yes, as far as fertility, testosterone therapy usually decreases fertility substantially.


Im interested in this, do you mean permanently or will fertility generally be back in some months when stopping TRT? Does the time you are on TRT influence this?

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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2013, 07:34:36 pm »

Im interested in this, do you mean permanently or will fertility generally be back in some months when stopping TRT? Does the time you are on TRT influence this?

I know that testosterone usually comes back to your old levels but it can take months (if you don't use Clomid to assist of course). 

Thus, I assume your fertility should come back at about the same time but don't know that for sure to be honest.  I highly recommend you talk to a fertility specialist.  They do this stuff day in and day out.
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2013, 07:57:29 pm »

Im interested in this, do you mean permanently or will fertility generally be back in some months when stopping TRT? Does the time you are on TRT influence this?

I know that testosterone usually comes back to your old levels but it can take months (if you don't use Clomid to assist of course). 

Thus, I assume your fertility should come back at about the same time but don't know that for sure to be honest.  I highly recommend you talk to a fertility specialist.  They do this stuff day in and day out.

The HCG is the key. Usually a man will still be fertile or perhaps "subfertile" with HCG run alongside T. But in either case, there will be some sperm production.
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Re: On the shots, all symptoms gone. But long term?
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2013, 08:02:40 pm »


The HCG is the key. Usually a man will still be fertile or perhaps "subfertile" with HCG run alongside T. But in either case, there will be some sperm production.

Good point and HCG is pretty cheap.
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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2013, 12:24:57 am »
Jackandy, what is the arimidex dose you are taking?  I amgoing on the same hcg protocol of 500 twice a week and I woul like to know your arimidex dosage and timing.  Thank you.

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Re: On the shots, all symptoms gone. But long term?
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2013, 02:10:18 am »
Jackandy, what is the arimidex dose you are taking?  I amgoing on the same hcg protocol of 500 twice a week and I woul like to know your arimidex dosage and timing.  Thank you.

.25mg E3D to .25mg ED
I had to increase the dose when on HCG but honestly I stopped HCG because I don't like the needles too much and it doesn't do much for me. I can't feel any difference except for a tingling in my balls. If you take 500 twice a week, you're going to need more Arimidex. I don't know exactly how much more, it depends on your body.
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Re: On the shots, all symptoms gone. But long term?
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2013, 03:42:39 am »
I can't feel any difference except for a tingling in my balls.

Whoa!
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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2013, 11:16:54 am »
Dang, my doc has me on 500 THREE times a week. I'd like to get off of it, but I feel like I just might be giving up something valuable...
 
did the balls tingle when you were on it or after you got off it?
 
(I can't believe I typed that sentance...)  8)

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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2013, 02:45:30 pm »
Why is everyone so curious about my ball tingling? You get it too, you probably just ignore it. Try to pay attention next time when you take HCG. It doesn't happen immediately, but maybe 2 hours later you will notice a very slight tingling that lasts for a few moments. That's the HCG working. It happens regularly and stronger with HCG, but it happens naturally too. My best guess is that testicles are like little generators and when they start to whip up a batch of semen they start to vibrate or something. Or maybe it's like your tummy rumbling on a much smaller scale. I guess it could just be like an old apartment with steam radiator heating and when the steam kicks in the pipes start knocking.
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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2013, 07:19:03 pm »
Maybe mine are too far gone, but I've not noticed that before...
 
I try to take HCG before bed. Next time I take it earlier I'll try to pay attention.

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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2013, 08:52:45 pm »
For what it's worth, I'm just confirming that I get the ball tingling sensation also. I'm just doing HCG and supplements for t therapy. It's very subtle and happens every so often throughout the day. I actually kind of like it!  ;)
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Re: On the shots, all symptoms gone. But long term?
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