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Hi all,

Thought I would do an update on my progress on Testosterone.

At the start, March 01, 2015, I was weighing 148 lbs. I went on HCG Mono for 1 month but didn't see much improvements in my symptoms (low libido, fatigue, depression/anxiety, muscle pain and aches). I was weighing in about 155 lbs. at the end of March and had a Total Testosterone level of 570, not bad but also not where I wanted it to be either.

I moved to Testosterone Cypionate plus HCG starting around April 20th, can't remember the exact date, but after discussing with my doc, I felt I needed more- the HCG was making me feel "weird" and I wanted to see if by adding Testosterone I would start feeling better.

I moved to the new regimen of 50mg Testosterone Cypionate once a week and 1,200 IUs HCG twice a week all intramuscular. I didn't notice improvements right away but by mid May I had put on another 7-10 lbs. and was feeling a little better.

June, I kept with the same regimen. And also, as requested by my doc, because I still wasn't feeling great, had 4 blood draws done within a 2 week timeframe, testing Total and Free Testosterone.

The only thing I've heard back from my doctor's office in regards to the recent tests I had done, are my T levels being "high". This is all the medical assistant would tell me. Now I'm going back in to see my doc in late July to reassess and see what's up.

I'm currently weighing in between 170lbs -175lbs. I've always been a skinny guy, so putting on 25 lbs. people are now asking if I'm working out, which I just say "Yes" haha. I'm really not though, I haven't touched a set of weights the entire 4 months. It's not all muscle granted, I've put on some more fat. But then again being 148lbs. and very lean, I like looking bigger. I've started running to cut some of the fat I've put on.

Other things I've seen improve: energy a little higher (I still feel very tired after a long day at work but it's more manageable). I can workout now and not feel completely achy, sore the next day. My depression and anxiety is also more manageable now. It hasn't completely gone away, I still have bad weeks where I'm sad and depressed, but overall my confidence has gained. I don't stress about situations as much. I also don't have the very bad, ruminating anxiety levels that I had pre-Testosterone. I'm a little more assertive and feel overall that my quality of life as gotten better.

Things I still need to improve: libido is still the same pre-testosterone :/ not really sure why. I really want my depression/anxiety to be completely gone but maybe this takes more time? I still feel some fatigue, but then again I also got diagnosed with sleep apnea back in March (been using a bipap and getting very low AHI every night which is great!) and have low ferritin (iron) so maybe this is more the cause of that...

Overall I feel TRT has helped me. I can't imagine going back now to my days before. I definitely still need to hone in the right dosing regimen, and get more active to combat the depression but I would say my TRT experience so far has been positive.

I'm going to continue taking Testosterone for the foreseeable future and also look into possible reasons for my low iron levels- maybe Celiacs or other gastro problems, as these things might be aggravating the depression and fatigue.
Age: 24
Height: 5'9
Pre TRT Weight: 148 lbs.- March 01
Weight: 165 lbs- May 11
Current Weight: 170 lbs- June 20

Pre TRT Labs- February 2015
LH: 4.1 mIU/mL (range 1.5 - 9.3)
FSH: 5.8 mIU/mL (range 1.4 -18.1)
Prolactin: 12 ng/mL (range 2.1- 17.7)
Total T3: 113 ng/dL (range 55-172)
SHBG: 26 nmol/L (range 10-57)
Total Testosterone: 337 ng/dL (range 280-854)
Free Testosterone: 99.5 pg/mL (range 47- 244)
Estradiol: 18 pg/mL (range 3-70)

1 Month TRT Labs- April 2015
LH: <0.3 mIU/mL (range 1.5 - 9.3) Low
FSH: <0.1 mIU/mL (range 1.4 -18.1) Low
Total Testosterone: 569 ng/dL (range 280-854)
Estradiol: 58 pg/mL (range 3-70)

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Re: 4 Month Update on Testosterone- Put on 25 lbs. Feeling Okay
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2015, 05:13:34 am »
Sounds like some hypothyroidism also?
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Re: 4 Month Update on Testosterone- Put on 25 lbs. Feeling Okay
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2015, 05:13:34 am »


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Re: 4 Month Update on Testosterone- Put on 25 lbs. Feeling Okay
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2015, 05:21:48 am »
Sounds like some hypothyroidism also?

I've considered this, but I'm not sure PeakT.

One thing the docs have consistently pulled in the past has been TSH, and I think occasionally T3 or T4. These have always come back within the 'normal' ranges. Then again, I haven't done much research on what are considered optimal thyroid hormone levels so I can't say for certain it isn't one of these things. I don't have all my labs in front of me right now, otherwise I would check.

What are considered optimal levels by-the-way in your opinion. I know hypothyroidism can cause low ferritin, but I kind of dismissed it because I always felt my levels were fine...
Age: 24
Height: 5'9
Pre TRT Weight: 148 lbs.- March 01
Weight: 165 lbs- May 11
Current Weight: 170 lbs- June 20

Pre TRT Labs- February 2015
LH: 4.1 mIU/mL (range 1.5 - 9.3)
FSH: 5.8 mIU/mL (range 1.4 -18.1)
Prolactin: 12 ng/mL (range 2.1- 17.7)
Total T3: 113 ng/dL (range 55-172)
SHBG: 26 nmol/L (range 10-57)
Total Testosterone: 337 ng/dL (range 280-854)
Free Testosterone: 99.5 pg/mL (range 47- 244)
Estradiol: 18 pg/mL (range 3-70)

1 Month TRT Labs- April 2015
LH: <0.3 mIU/mL (range 1.5 - 9.3) Low
FSH: <0.1 mIU/mL (range 1.4 -18.1) Low
Total Testosterone: 569 ng/dL (range 280-854)
Estradiol: 58 pg/mL (range 3-70)

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Re: 4 Month Update on Testosterone- Put on 25 lbs. Feeling Okay
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2015, 05:37:29 am »
Sounds like some hypothyroidism also?

Okay so just checked the bloodwork my urologist first had done back in February 2015. He only pulled Total T3- came back 113 ng/dL (range 55-172). Is this good, bad, okay?
Age: 24
Height: 5'9
Pre TRT Weight: 148 lbs.- March 01
Weight: 165 lbs- May 11
Current Weight: 170 lbs- June 20

Pre TRT Labs- February 2015
LH: 4.1 mIU/mL (range 1.5 - 9.3)
FSH: 5.8 mIU/mL (range 1.4 -18.1)
Prolactin: 12 ng/mL (range 2.1- 17.7)
Total T3: 113 ng/dL (range 55-172)
SHBG: 26 nmol/L (range 10-57)
Total Testosterone: 337 ng/dL (range 280-854)
Free Testosterone: 99.5 pg/mL (range 47- 244)
Estradiol: 18 pg/mL (range 3-70)

1 Month TRT Labs- April 2015
LH: <0.3 mIU/mL (range 1.5 - 9.3) Low
FSH: <0.1 mIU/mL (range 1.4 -18.1) Low
Total Testosterone: 569 ng/dL (range 280-854)
Estradiol: 58 pg/mL (range 3-70)

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Re: 4 Month Update on Testosterone- Put on 25 lbs. Feeling Okay
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2015, 05:37:29 am »


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Re: 4 Month Update on Testosterone- Put on 25 lbs. Feeling Okay
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2015, 06:46:58 am »
Sounds like some hypothyroidism also?

Okay so just checked the bloodwork my urologist first had done back in February 2015. He only pulled Total T3- came back 113 ng/dL (range 55-172). Is this good, bad, okay?

It depends on your free T3 and rT3 probably.

Some of the alternative docs like to see you in the top quartile.  But I think the majority go more by symptoms.  But you really have to look at free T3 and rT3 as you can have decent T3 but still not feel good if these are out of line.
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Re: 4 Month Update on Testosterone- Put on 25 lbs. Feeling Okay
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2015, 02:41:28 pm »
Sounds like some hypothyroidism also?

Okay so just checked the bloodwork my urologist first had done back in February 2015. He only pulled Total T3- came back 113 ng/dL (range 55-172). Is this good, bad, okay?

It depends on your free T3 and rT3 probably.

Some of the alternative docs like to see you in the top quartile.  But I think the majority go more by symptoms.  But you really have to look at free T3 and rT3 as you can have decent T3 but still not feel good if these are out of line.

Hmmm, now I'm curious. I don't think they've ever pulled free T3 or reverseT3. I'll go check today, this is something I might follow up with my PCP on.

Also of note, I got back my recent bloodwork I had done following up on my ferritin levels. After 1 month of supplementing with Ferrous Sulphate 260mg daily, my ferritin level went from 18 to 25 ng/dL. Apparently my CBC also showed my hemoglobin at 17 which my PCP is concerned about. I'm just frustrated because this doc apparently didn't want to get me a referral to see a hematologist because he thinks my ferritin levels are now 'fine' and that the hematologist wouldn't be able to do anything. I don't think it crossed this guy's mind why in the first place my iron levels would be so low.
Age: 24
Height: 5'9
Pre TRT Weight: 148 lbs.- March 01
Weight: 165 lbs- May 11
Current Weight: 170 lbs- June 20

Pre TRT Labs- February 2015
LH: 4.1 mIU/mL (range 1.5 - 9.3)
FSH: 5.8 mIU/mL (range 1.4 -18.1)
Prolactin: 12 ng/mL (range 2.1- 17.7)
Total T3: 113 ng/dL (range 55-172)
SHBG: 26 nmol/L (range 10-57)
Total Testosterone: 337 ng/dL (range 280-854)
Free Testosterone: 99.5 pg/mL (range 47- 244)
Estradiol: 18 pg/mL (range 3-70)

1 Month TRT Labs- April 2015
LH: <0.3 mIU/mL (range 1.5 - 9.3) Low
FSH: <0.1 mIU/mL (range 1.4 -18.1) Low
Total Testosterone: 569 ng/dL (range 280-854)
Estradiol: 58 pg/mL (range 3-70)

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Re: 4 Month Update on Testosterone- Put on 25 lbs. Feeling Okay
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2015, 03:39:48 pm »
I split out some discussion on ferritin here:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=7680.0
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Re: 4 Month Update on Testosterone- Put on 25 lbs. Feeling Okay
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2015, 06:14:49 pm »
Peak,

His April E2 was high.  For me, and I guess for many other men, even moderately elevated E2 translates into bloat/weight gain.  At three weeks on Testopel, I've gained 6 pounds and my jeans are more snug, so it's more water than muscle.  Having labs pulled tomorrow.  You're more knowledgeable than me but some of Yub's weight gain might be water, IMO.
65 y.o., 5'5", 138lbs.
Complex medical history: treatment resistant ultra rapid cycling bipolar illness, history of thyroid and adrenal problems. ED/libido problems since 2010.  Restoring my physical health has been, and remains, a daunting challenge.

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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2015, 06:25:51 pm »
Peak,

His April E2 was high.  For me, and I guess for many other men, even moderately elevated E2 translates into bloat/weight gain.  At three weeks on Testopel, I've gained 6 pounds and my jeans are more snug, so it's more water than muscle.  Having labs pulled tomorrow.  You're more knowledgeable than me but some of Yub's weight gain might be water, IMO.

I'm with you now.  Sorry I missed that high E2 read.
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If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements.  And low testosterone is a medical condition.

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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2015, 07:44:23 pm »
As we said in NJ & NY "Fugetaboutit", lol.
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Complex medical history: treatment resistant ultra rapid cycling bipolar illness, history of thyroid and adrenal problems. ED/libido problems since 2010.  Restoring my physical health has been, and remains, a daunting challenge.

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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2015, 09:11:38 pm »
Luckily I was off work today so I stopped by the VA and grabbed my recent bloodwork and also got all my old stuff too.

Here's all the previous Thyroid bloodwork I have had done:

April 2009- TSH: 2.37 uIU/mL

September 2009- TSH: 2.14 uIU/mL
                             Free T4: 1.2 ng/dL range (0.8-1.8 ng/dL)

December 2013- TSH: 1.2 uIU/mL

June 2014- TSH: 1.28 uIU/mL range (0.3- 3.04)

All looks pretty normal to me...but then again I've never had all of them pulled at one time. What do you guys think?

I noticed my TSH levels were both higher in 2009. This was about only 1 year after my steroid use that catapulted me into this entire mess, so I'm assuming by now my thyroid panels have leveled out to better levels.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2015, 09:15:36 pm by Yub yub »
Age: 24
Height: 5'9
Pre TRT Weight: 148 lbs.- March 01
Weight: 165 lbs- May 11
Current Weight: 170 lbs- June 20

Pre TRT Labs- February 2015
LH: 4.1 mIU/mL (range 1.5 - 9.3)
FSH: 5.8 mIU/mL (range 1.4 -18.1)
Prolactin: 12 ng/mL (range 2.1- 17.7)
Total T3: 113 ng/dL (range 55-172)
SHBG: 26 nmol/L (range 10-57)
Total Testosterone: 337 ng/dL (range 280-854)
Free Testosterone: 99.5 pg/mL (range 47- 244)
Estradiol: 18 pg/mL (range 3-70)

1 Month TRT Labs- April 2015
LH: <0.3 mIU/mL (range 1.5 - 9.3) Low
FSH: <0.1 mIU/mL (range 1.4 -18.1) Low
Total Testosterone: 569 ng/dL (range 280-854)
Estradiol: 58 pg/mL (range 3-70)

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Re: 4 Month Update on Testosterone- Put on 25 lbs. Feeling Okay
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2015, 12:48:36 am »
Your experience parallels quite nicely with mine.  My general tiredness and malaise improved a fair amount; I gained a decent amount (9lbs in ten weeks, but I am also working out), but only a slight improvement in libido.  Confidence and well being is slightly better.  So small, general improvements all round, not entirely unexpected.  The biggest change for me is the weight gain (it's muscle in my case as my body fat has gone down).
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pre-treatment Nov '14
Total T 289 ng/dL (250-1100)

Clomid @ 25mg, twice a week, Feb '15
Total T 662 ng/dL (250-1100)
E2 (sensitive) 31 pg/mL (<29)

Clomid @ 25mg every day, Mar '15
Total T 991 ng/dL (250-827)
E2 (non-sensitive) 60 pg/mL (<39)

Test-Cyp @ 100mg/week, Jun '15, trough values
Total T 302 ng/dL (250-1100)
E2 (non-sensitive) 22 pg/mL (<39)

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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2015, 03:25:33 am »
Luckily I was off work today so I stopped by the VA and grabbed my recent bloodwork and also got all my old stuff too.

Here's all the previous Thyroid bloodwork I have had done:

April 2009- TSH: 2.37 uIU/mL

September 2009- TSH: 2.14 uIU/mL
                             Free T4: 1.2 ng/dL range (0.8-1.8 ng/dL)

December 2013- TSH: 1.2 uIU/mL

June 2014- TSH: 1.28 uIU/mL range (0.3- 3.04)

All looks pretty normal to me...but then again I've never had all of them pulled at one time. What do you guys think?

I noticed my TSH levels were both higher in 2009. This was about only 1 year after my steroid use that catapulted me into this entire mess, so I'm assuming by now my thyroid panels have leveled out to better levels.

I agree that you are probably not.  But, to be throough, someone has to pull hashimoto's antibodies, rt3 and free t3 and t4. 
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And check out my New Peak Testosterone Program: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/peak_testosterone_program
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Re: 4 Month Update on Testosterone- Put on 25 lbs. Feeling Okay
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2015, 11:36:53 pm »
Luckily I was off work today so I stopped by the VA and grabbed my recent bloodwork and also got all my old stuff too.

Here's all the previous Thyroid bloodwork I have had done:

April 2009- TSH: 2.37 uIU/mL

September 2009- TSH: 2.14 uIU/mL
                             Free T4: 1.2 ng/dL range (0.8-1.8 ng/dL)

December 2013- TSH: 1.2 uIU/mL

June 2014- TSH: 1.28 uIU/mL range (0.3- 3.04)

All looks pretty normal to me...but then again I've never had all of them pulled at one time. What do you guys think?

I noticed my TSH levels were both higher in 2009. This was about only 1 year after my steroid use that catapulted me into this entire mess, so I'm assuming by now my thyroid panels have leveled out to better levels.

I agree that you are probably not.  But, to be throough, someone has to pull hashimoto's antibodies, rt3 and free t3 and t4.

New update PeakT: I recently sent over a long message to my pcp requesting additional blood work. I asked to have a thyroid panel pulled, Celiacs Panel, heavy metals, Vit B12, Folate, and a few others tested. He ordered what he could, based on what's available at the VA.

I'm still waiting on the results of the Celiacs Panel. Free T4 came back just below the low end at 0.75 ng/dL range (0.8-2.2). TSH came back normal at 1.37 uIU/mL. Perhaps this explains the low ferritin and the continued fatigue? They couldn't pull free T3 or Hashimoto's antibodies like I requested. I have to get referred out to a specialist to get those levels. Any thoughts?

Vit B12 was mid range: 474 range (239-931)
Folate was high at: 1673 range (141-1018)
Hematocrit dropped: 49%
« Last Edit: July 16, 2015, 11:41:40 pm by Yub yub »
Age: 24
Height: 5'9
Pre TRT Weight: 148 lbs.- March 01
Weight: 165 lbs- May 11
Current Weight: 170 lbs- June 20

Pre TRT Labs- February 2015
LH: 4.1 mIU/mL (range 1.5 - 9.3)
FSH: 5.8 mIU/mL (range 1.4 -18.1)
Prolactin: 12 ng/mL (range 2.1- 17.7)
Total T3: 113 ng/dL (range 55-172)
SHBG: 26 nmol/L (range 10-57)
Total Testosterone: 337 ng/dL (range 280-854)
Free Testosterone: 99.5 pg/mL (range 47- 244)
Estradiol: 18 pg/mL (range 3-70)

1 Month TRT Labs- April 2015
LH: <0.3 mIU/mL (range 1.5 - 9.3) Low
FSH: <0.1 mIU/mL (range 1.4 -18.1) Low
Total Testosterone: 569 ng/dL (range 280-854)
Estradiol: 58 pg/mL (range 3-70)

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Re: 4 Month Update on Testosterone- Put on 25 lbs. Feeling Okay
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2015, 12:18:33 am »
I'd try to get that vit B12 up and perhaps investigate why you have both low B12, low ferritin.

B12 that low could contribute to some of your symptoms and the progressive thinking drs these days want it at 800. If you read STTM thats what you will see there.

Thats a good thing though it means you have room for improvement and compared to ferritin, B12 is an easy fix 😃
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