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« on: December 03, 2012, 03:53:54 pm »
What a great format this board is. Thanks  everybody that's involved. Now about me I am 63 years old when I was 49 years old my little buddy quit on me. Then at 50 I had my first heart attack needed to stents put in then at 56 I had another heart attack and I had three stents put in. Then I had two knee replacements and one gallbladder removed. And if that isn't enough when I was 60 years old my daughter passed away with cancer and that's a bitch. Then one more thing I ended up with frozen shoulders for about a year. Now I'm digging myself out of this ugly hole. Last year I started doing exercises through the winter. Started last January I was 347 pounds at 6  2 foot tall. As of today I have lost 34 pounds and starting to feel good. I'm very confused on a couple things but I think I'm doing everything right for the last six months I've been waking up with a three quarters of an erection so things are starting to work. I exercise twice a week and slow down on my eating.

Now here's where things get out of hand. I Sorted confused on what's going on with the supplements. I am takingl-arginine 8 g a day and this is help me tremendous but I've read that it goes through your kidneys.  So I'm going through all the medicine and supplements and vitamins figure out what to do and this is were I need the help.   


Medicine that I take, niaspan  1 a day 500mg , tricor 145 mg 1 a day, Glyuride 5mg. I was taking losartan pot 100mg and I stopped. But I started taking a supplement called Larginine. I was a was 140/79 now I'm 138/74. An improvement and I feel better
vitamins I take, zinc 50mg I did take the test and I did not pass so I started on this. Vitamin D 3 6000iu fish oil with omega-3 1000 mg twice a day, CO Q 10  Mg two times a day.

For my ED problem I takeL-arginine and Pycnogenol.  AndroGel 1.62  three pumps the day.

About my testosterone I was tested for it when I was 56 years old and it was 130. My doctor kept on complaining that we had to be very careful about cancer. But through the years I bugged him and I got it up to 300. About five months ago I went in there and we were talking and he finally admitted that testosterone is one of the things we need to get up he was trying to get me over 600 up to 800. So in two weeks I will be checking my blood annually and find out where I'm at.

My problem is I've read so much and learned so much but I do not know how to apply it like in making a cocktail for ED of three supplements. This is where I'm asking for help what should I do.. I have came so far in this last year that I want to prepare myself for next year and get it right and learn more. I just feel so much better take in all the supplements that I have in the last 20 years and I plan to lose another 30 pounds by July. So all the help you can give me and make it sort of simple would be appreciated. Remember you're dealing with a caveman

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Re: caveman needs HELP
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2012, 04:09:51 pm »
sounds like youve gone through your own personal hell with your body and your life

exercise:
do you do it?  do you lift weights or walk or both?
supplementation is just that supplementation to a healthy life, which I am unsure of your lifestyle.  you speak of doctors and drugs and so on, but what about your bodyfat now?  your weight is a huge issue(pun intended) whats your weight?

cavemen?  whats that mean?  you eat what exactly? whats your diet made of of?
Peak, et al, can help you if you let us know where you are at currently
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2012, 04:26:46 pm »
Welcome, Caveman.  So you're crawling out of that cave, eh?  Been there. 

Glad things are improving and your story is a testimony to how rapidly the body can recover in spite of decades of neglect.  (Very sorry to hear about your daughter - can't imagine...)

Here are a few comments:

--I think you are going the right thing with the HRT assuming you are being properly monitored, i.e. prostate and estradiol.  You are pretty overweight, so once they boost your weight, be sure that the estradiol is checked.  There are many forum threads on the subject and I have info on my site if you are int'd.

--If you are still taking that much L-Arginine, i.e. 8 grams/day - that's a lot.  And you should know that in one study, they had 6 heart patients die taking about that dosage.  So I would be very careful taking that much and you should discuss it with your doctor.

That's not the only problem with taking L-Arginine.  Please read the bottom of this link for more information:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Arginine

--There is (generally) more effective alternative to L-Arginine called L-Citrulline.  L-Citrulline boosts L-Arginine but through a more efficient pathway:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Citrulline_Benefits

If your doctor approves it, do not take more than a gram or two as it is quite powerful.  The supplement Neo40 is expensive but also has Citrulline plus Hawthorn Berry extract and will raise nitric oxide levels from what I have seen.  It's not a "miracle worker" like Cialis but does seem to help:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Nathan_Bryan_Interview

https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=68.0

--Ginseng is another supplement that will help many men.  Korean I am talking about.  See this for a list of supplements worth considering:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Erectile_supplements

--Now one important comment:  always talk to your doc first and always consider supplements a short term alternative while you fix everything with lifestyle changes.  A Low Fat Diet (or maybe Mediterranean) + Exercise + Weight Loss + HRT will do miracles for you. 

--If you are going to try more than one supplement, I recommend trying one about every three weeks, i.e. rolling them in slowly.  Every once in awhile, you can get a side effect from a supplement or it just may not do anything for you.  If you implement them all at once, you have no idea which of the supplements is helping or caused problems, etc.

--Low Fat Diets, as long as there is no cheating, do VERY well with heart patients.  They will certainly arrest arteriosclerosis and there is evidence they will likely reverse it as well.  I just read a post recently here where one guy selling Lap Band surgeries criticized Low Fat Diets.  Look at what one of the readers wrote:

"I owe my own life to the work of these pioneers (Ornish, etc.). Two and a half years ago (at 5 I was crippled with angina and could not walk 20 feet without resting. Now I am virtually symptom free (if I eat bad I feel bad!) and work out enthusiastically at my local gym. My change of diet HAS saved my life and I feel better than I have in years. My BP is now normal - after years of being high, my bowel movements (sorry!) are better than ever and none of this advice has cost me a penny! (I must admit hat out of gratitude I have bought a few of their books!) i "

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/1575-the-ornish-myth.html

--Try to not lose your muscle mass as you are dropping those pounds.  Imo you should include ample protein, preferably from lower fat sources, and do some strength/resistance training (after talking to your docs).  If you lose muscle mass, it gets harder and harder to lose and maintain weight.

And welcome to the forum.  Btw, watchntv above is our Weight Loss Wild Man:  he's lost 80 pounds and going for a 100 or so. 
« Last Edit: December 03, 2012, 04:30:25 pm by PeakT »
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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2012, 06:37:39 pm »
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--Try to not lose your muscle mass as you are dropping those pounds.  Imo you should include ample protein, preferably from lower fat sources, and do some strength/resistance training (after talking to your docs).  If you lose muscle mass, it gets harder and harder to lose and maintain weight.

that's a big myth out there, that you should hang on to muscle cause without it, your calories burnt in a day will drop significantly!
Lets see
Fat also  burns calories; about 3 calories per pound but it adds up. Someone carrying 50-100 lbs of fat is burning 150-300 calories per day to sustain that fat.
You lost 34lbs of fat, you are now burning about 100 calories LESS per DAY
 muscle burns about TWICE that amount,,  HUGE right?
3 *2  =6
muscle burns about 6 calories/pound(at rest) a DAY, gain 10lbs of muscle and you can eat a whopping  60calories more a day.


Why people insist  gaining muscle is a great way to lose fat?

 there are other indirect effects of weight training, and unlike your internal organs which account for most of your daily calories expended, working out gets your muscles to work and burn more calories

so go workout and keep your muscles because muscles are what make you look good as they hold up skin, etc
ever see anyone go on a diet and not workout?  they lose weight and end up looking smaller and not unhealthy,

food sources of low fat protein are
egg whites
rice protein
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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2012, 06:45:27 pm »
Watchntv
I have lost 3 inches in my waste this year in a 12 month period. I can walk 2 miles now and I go to the gym. On Tuesdays I do Pilates then 30 min. on the stationary bike because of my knees. Then on Tuesday the same thing. May be through the week I might go swimming. But I do not do any weight training at all and after you reply to me I looked up and I have two books on weightlifting.

Peakt

Thank you for all the information. I'm going to just take 2 g of l-arginine in the morning and that will be it. Now my diet sucks .. I do not eat enough fruits and vegetables and I do eat a lot of meat.

I did start planning on my diet first thing I'm going to do is start making gluten free bread. I was reading a bunch of articles on wheat belly and it does make sense to me.
So now I'm going to have a game plan with low-fat   vegetables and fruit.

last year for exercise before I started Pilates and everything else. I can only get on the stationary bike and maybe go 10 min. Now I can get on the stationary bike and go 30 min. plus the program I can go to six on that scale.

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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2012, 06:48:19 pm »
there is a very tight correlation with gallbladder issues and gluten intolerance.



i bet if you cut out gluten containing grains, you'd feel much better and lose a lot of weight on top of that.  i suggest you read a book called wheat belly.
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2012, 07:33:40 pm »
Watchntv
I have lost 3 inches in my waste this year in a 12 month period. I can walk 2 miles now and I go to the gym. On Tuesdays I do Pilates then 30 min. on the stationary bike because of my knees. Then on Tuesday the same thing. May be through the week I might go swimming. But I do not do any weight training at all and after you reply to me I looked up and I have two books on weightlifting.


It's a good start,  but 2 books on weight training?
dont rush out to start lifting, but  read them and go actually do the weight lifting
but the much bigger issue you have is the extra weight you are carrying, which means diet time
remember, basically any diet works that has you burning more calories than you eat

example, the twinkie diet, http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html

where a teacher(Haub) lost 27lbs in 2 months eating:  Two-thirds of his total calories came from junk food.(twinkies, Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos,)  He also took a multivitamin pill and drank a protein shake daily. And he ate vegetables, typically a can of green beans or three to four celery stalks.

results:  BMI  dropped 28.8 to 24.9
LDL(BAD) dropped 20%
HDL(GOOD) increased by  20%
triglycerides  down  39%

He also has a shelf life of 2000 years(thanks to eating Hostess cakes and lots of preservatives)

Point being that any diet will work, if you eat less than you burn
Although Haub(guy in the diet) made some great progress, eating a high fat diet filled with excitotoxins/preservatives is not the way to go to get the "little guy" going again.  You dont want those things!

Look around Peaks articles,  pick up some of his E-books and start learning his scientfically proven methodolody.

Maybe you know already, heart and penis get affected by the same things, when one is unhealthy, likely the other is going to follow soon
your weight is your biggest risk.....work hard to get to your BMI...which mean you want to be under 191lbs


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22530540
CONCLUSIONS:

The results demonstrate significant relationships between BMI and mortality from all causes, CVD and cancer. The increased risk of all-cause, CVD and cancer mortality associated with an elevated BMI was significant at levels above 30 kg/m2; however, overweight individuals (BMI 25-29.9 kg/m2) also had an approximately 60% higher risk of CVD mortality.


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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2012, 11:28:27 pm »

Why people insist  gaining muscle is a great way to lose fat?

 there are other indirect effects of weight training, and unlike your internal organs which account for most of your daily calories expended, working out gets your muscles to work and burn more calories

so go workout and keep your muscles because muscles are what make you look good as they hold up skin, etc
ever see anyone go on a diet and not workout?  they lose weight and end up looking smaller and not unhealthy,


Well, okay, I didn't really mean to say that.  What I was really trying to say that it's not good when people lose weight and sluff off a bunch of muscle with the fat.

By the way, there's another critical reason to put on muscle though:  it appears to lower your chance for diabetes, metabolic syndrome and insulin resistance.  It appears to be an independent risk factor, although I have a theory about that...
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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2012, 12:44:59 am »

Why people insist  gaining muscle is a great way to lose fat?

 there are other indirect effects of weight training, and unlike your internal organs which account for most of your daily calories expended, working out gets your muscles to work and burn more calories

so go workout and keep your muscles because muscles are what make you look good as they hold up skin, etc
ever see anyone go on a diet and not workout?  they lose weight and end up looking smaller and not unhealthy,


Well, okay, I didn't really mean to say that.  What I was really trying to say that it's not good when people lose weight and sluff off a bunch of muscle with the fat.

By the way, there's another critical reason to put on muscle though:  it appears to lower your chance for diabetes, metabolic syndrome and insulin resistance.  It appears to be an independent risk factor, although I have a theory about that...
what is an independant risk factor for what?

I hope you understand I had no intention of bashing what you said
but Caveman/many others might be under the impression that weight lifting is magical,
sorta like if someone read. "....cold Pomegranate juice helps reduce plaques....."

then the focus might be on how COLD should the juice be, etc

I wanted to make sure he knew the reasons to workout and have protein, how all the  indirect effects of weight training are what a lot of the health benifiets come from...not all. but a ton
Im just thankful that no one here has used the word,"tone/toning up"....that drives me crazy.... :o
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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2012, 01:26:39 am »
Here you go:

http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1472-6823-10-6.pdf

"Low serum creatinine is a predictor of type 2 diabetes in
Caucasian morbidly obese patients independent of age,
gender, family history of diabetes, anthropometric measures, hypertension, and current smoking."

 You see I need some sort of justification for all that time I spend moving weights up and down off the floor.
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« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2012, 12:39:43 pm »
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general." - Mark Rippetoe

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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2012, 03:13:26 pm »
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general." - Mark Rippetoe

Whoa!  Still trying to get my mind around the context there, but I guess it's true...

You a fan of this guy?  Looks like he has an incredible background...
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« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2012, 04:16:41 pm »
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general." - Mark Rippetoe

Whoa!  Still trying to get my mind around the context there, but I guess it's true...

You a fan of this guy?  Looks like he has an incredible background...

rippetoe is highly respected as a great teacher of the basic barbell lifts.  his book "starting strength" is widely acclaimed to be an excellent resource for anyone in pursuit of strength, especially beginners.  that being said, i have never read it.

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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2012, 04:25:45 pm »

rippetoe is highly respected as a great teacher of the basic barbell lifts.  his book "starting strength" is widely acclaimed to be an excellent resource for anyone in pursuit of strength, especially beginners.  that being said, i have never read it.

I'd love to hear your take on why you're going for strength training and not just pure bodybuilding.  What's the draw for you?  If you have comments, start a thread.  (I'm obsessed with muscle, being the Skinny Bastard's Skinny Bastard.  But I admire someone who wants pure strength and gets muscle on the road there.)
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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2012, 04:30:43 pm »
Here you go:

http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1472-6823-10-6.pdf

"Low serum creatinine is a predictor of type 2 diabetes in
Caucasian morbidly obese patients independent of age,
gender, family history of diabetes, anthropometric measures, hypertension, and current smoking."

 You see I need some sort of justification for all that time I spend moving weights up and down off the floor.
Morbidly obese=BMI 40+

Hallucinations are a sign of dehydration
so dont drink your water!

even so, this study has to have used lots of couch potatoes or people who are immobile because just wallking around carrying the fat that makes you MORBIDLY OBESE is a workout..

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