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Ampout

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DHT and Facial Hair
« on: January 10, 2012, 02:40:50 pm »
First off, I would like to say that you have a very informative web site. We have a lot in common regarding a passion for health and testosterone. I am a 31 year old male in good physical condition. The last time I had testosterone levels checked I was almost 800.

My question is in regard to dht. I already have male pattern baldness and I'm not bothered by it as some men are. However, I have a pretty awful display of facial hair which bothers me greatly. Now, I know that dht is responsible for hair loss and growth on the face. So, if my testosterone is high, is it not converting or turning into dht? Why the lack of facial hair when testosterone seems high? By the way, no men in my family have this issue.

DHT seems to get a bad reputation based on prostate issues which doctors are now starting to doubt. After all, it has a lot to do with sex drive and male characteristics. I am not interested in lowering my dht at all. Any suggestions?

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Re: DHT and Facial Hair
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2012, 03:21:37 pm »
I really don't think, based on the evidence imho, that it really has as much to do with plasma androgens as with skin receptors.  You are a perfect example of that. 

Here is a study that shows what I'm talking about:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9496234

In addition, there are many other factors associated with hair loss and hair thinning that contribute to the whole problem as well...
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Re: DHT and Facial Hair
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2012, 03:27:31 am »
I agree and really think the popular opinion on dht is wrong. If you look at any "natural" baldness remedy, they contain saw palmetto, beta sitosterol, pumpkin seed extract and the like. Continual usage of these herbs will definitely block dht but the price one pays is loss of libido, erectile dysfunction, loss of concentration.

Testosterone is awesome, but dht is great as well.  I'd rather go bald and be more of a man.

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Re: DHT and Facial Hair
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2012, 11:49:16 pm »
Nice quote!

Btw, the anti-Propecia storm is gathering.  I documented some of this in a recent link:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Propecia_Risks

And Rogaine/minoxidil has its own problems.  Just use the Search at the top of my site to find that (for those that interested)...
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Re: DHT and Facial Hair
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2012, 07:14:46 am »
Very interested in Ampout's post re DHT.  I have no problems with hair loss despite being in my mid 50's.  Described as healthy head of hair, just thinning with age.

For the past 5 - 10 years I have concentrated on prostate health and with self education have been taking/cycling the herbal supplements he referred to.  I have found Mega Beta Sitosterol to be very good for stopping late night/early morning trips to the toilet.  Also have tried to increase T levels through exercise and diet. 

Live by myself but enjoy a relationship with my lady as it suits us.  My view had been that i'd rather enjoy good prostate health and get the intermittent help of Viagra etc.

Have I been creating a loss of libido, through supplements, in an effort to stay healthy?   Which way do you think the older man should head? 

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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2012, 03:12:43 pm »
Very interested in Ampout's post re DHT.  I have no problems with hair loss despite being in my mid 50's.  Described as healthy head of hair, just thinning with age.

For the past 5 - 10 years I have concentrated on prostate health and with self education have been taking/cycling the herbal supplements he referred to.  I have found Beta Sitosterol to be very good for stopping late night/early morning trips to the toilet.  Also have tried to increase T levels through exercise and diet. 

Live by myself but enjoy a relationship with my lady as it suits us.  My view had been that i'd rather enjoy good prostate health and get the intermittent help of Viagra etc.

Have I been creating a loss of libido, through supplements, in an effort to stay healthy?   Which way do you think the older man should head?

Not exactly sure what you mean by herbal supplements here?  So you're taking beta sitosterol?  What about Saw Palmetto?

One thing you should be aware of:  plant sterols can potentially lower testosterone and that be partially how it works.  Here is a nice (but poorly written) summary:

http://www.raysahelian.com/sitosterol.html
« Last Edit: January 22, 2012, 03:18:12 pm by PeakT »
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Re: DHT and Facial Hair
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2012, 11:38:40 pm »
Thanks for the information.....yes I have taken Beta Sitosterol, Saw Palmetto and Pumpkin Seed Oil (not all together) as outlined in Ampout's last post, below.  His comments have certainly been a wake up call.  I thought I was carrying out a good 'preventative' regime to maintain good prostate health. Looks like I have been sabotaging myself!

What do you think about Stinging Nettle supplement?

As I have no prostate problems I'm guessing you recommed that I stop taking some or all of the supplements? 

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Re: DHT and Facial Hair
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2012, 03:32:59 am »
I've never received an email from anyone pro or con on Saw Palmetto to be honest.  However, I have read of reported cases of it causing erectile dysfunction and still others that it is an aphrodisiac.  I don't think anyone has a definitive answer on it. 

For myself, I've never been attracted to it as I guess I don't really see the point.  How many men eating a whole foods Mediterranean or Low Fat Diet have prostate problems?  And why take a herb for your hair where we really don't know how it works for your hair? 

I also have a problem with deliberately trying to lower DHT throughout the body.  DHT is a very important androgen and so why would you want to lower it systemically.  I guess if there was a way to just lower it in the scalp, that's one thing.  But why lower DHT in all the tissues throughout your bod?

Read this article and you'll understand the importance of DHT and why it's a little scary to mess with it:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/reform8.htm

Betasitosterol - who really knows?  This one simply has not been studied enough.  If it does work by simply lowering cholesterol and therefore DHT downstream, then why not just go on a Low Fat Diet and then you'll significantly lower cholesterol and clean out your arteries while you're at it?  Just a thought...

And I'm sorry but Pumpkin Seed Oil is a new one to me, so I can't really comment.  I'll try to find some good material on it.

And it's interesting you brought up stinging nettle:  I just had someone swear by it.  However, he has very specific medical issues and an unusual situation. 
« Last Edit: January 23, 2012, 03:46:01 am by PeakT »
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Re: DHT and Facial Hair
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2012, 05:40:08 am »
Apprecite your views to my post and questions.  The article gives more food for thought.  Personally my attempts to self educate about health foods/supplements has been a long slow process which has included the usual reading, net searches and 'user/customer' feedback.

Prior to finding your site I have spent a number of years trying to improve health, keep the holy grail of 'T' healthy and subsequently gone down the supplement path. 

I have never used illegal hormonal supplements (roids/juice) but stayed with otc only.  Here in NZ it is a very govt controlled enviroment, unlike the USA.  Using the net and dealing with a reputable US company I have ordered and used a number of 'allowed' supplements as well as local  retailers.

Stinging Nettle:

1. If you have time,  have a look at: iHerb.com.  Search: Now Foods Stinging Nettle Extract 250mg 90 caps, click on it and then the Product Reviews.  I see one user combining it with the same stack you recommend for boosting T in your e-book; plus a number of favourable other reviews.  But they all talk about supressing DHT?

2.Mens Health Mag-saw a short article in an issue a while back about the positive effects Stinging Nettle can have for men & T.

Rather than bomb you with questions about numerous supplements is there a method you use to search the net, to check if something falls inside/outside your parameters for improving T?  I would like to check out my remaining supplements.

I guess it comes back to the one thing...diet....it's only as good as what you put in.  Tks

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Re: DHT and Facial Hair
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2012, 02:18:31 pm »
Okay, I read the iHerb product reviews and to me they looked like one shill after another.  If stinging nettle was that good, every guy on planet earth over 40 would be using it.  You can try it and see if it helps you, of course, but I wouldn't do it because of those product reviews. 

Also, keep in mind that stinging nettle, at best, might change your hormone levels by 20% here and there.  That's not something you're probably going to feel overnight like these posters seem to claim (if at all).  In fact, it usually takes men that go on HRT and double their T weeks or months to feel any difference.

Now there is one thing that might cause an immediate response with Nettle:  it's antiinflammatory properties.  This could potentially impact endothelial function.  Furthermore, it also can reduce pain.  So my suspicion is that some men have good short term results with it because of these properties and not really the androgen-altering aspects of stinging nettle.

There are a number of studies that talk about the above.  Here are a couple for general interest:

http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0014579398016226?via=sd
http://jrsm.rsmjournals.com/content/93/6/305.short

Nettle is probably a good product, but I'm still cautious.  I think most men can get to where they need to be through food and exercise and, in some cases, HRT.  Of course, every case is different and some men have very advanced arteriosclerosis and various medical conditions. 

Btw, I'll say it again:  always talk to your doc before trying a new supplement.  For example, many react with/alter medications (since they are also metabolized in the liver).

 
« Last Edit: January 23, 2012, 02:23:05 pm by PeakT »
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Re: DHT and Facial Hair
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2012, 02:18:31 pm »