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Still troubleshooting
« on: January 14, 2013, 05:39:09 pm »
I have been surfing the site trying to educate myself about low T. So much info itís kind of overwhelming. I have been working with my doctor on my high cholesterol and blood pressure issues. We both agree that I need to lose around 10-15 lbs. But I have struggled to even get close to losing 10 lbs at best. We also suspected that I may have sleep apnea, although when I did lose 10 lbs that sleep apnea seemed to go away. It was about the same time frame of being treated for cholesterol that I started with some ED issues. That's when I finally asked about my testosterone level. It believe was 299, so he agreed to put me on testim 1%. After about 6 months to my next visit to the doctor the testim raised it to around 325, so he told me to use two tubes of testim a day. So Iíll have to see how that does. I feel that between struggling with cholesterol/BP meds that it has effected my testosterone. So ultimately my goal is going to try to lose the weight by eating healthy and working out so I can stop taking those meds. But my question is there any other supplement that I could try along with the testim to help boost my testosterone? Maybe even something to mix into a protein drink?
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Re: Just starting troubleshooting
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2013, 06:48:49 pm »
Sorry to hear you're fighting so many battles.  The good news is that you should be able to turn almost everything around.  Can I ask your age?

Here are a few comments:

--Not everyone absorbs Testim (or Androgel) well.  So be sure to get retested as soon as you can.  You're probably not going to feel much better until you get that testosterone up.

--How long do you think that you have been low testosterone, i.e. when did you start getting all these symtpoms?

--What blood pressure meds are you taking?  Some of these can affect bestosterone and/or erections.

--Watch out for the protein drinks:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Whey_Excitotoxins_Glutamic_Acid

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Whey_Undenatured

--I'm a Low Fat guy.  I cannot eat more than a gram or maybe two at a meal without it affecting me.  I've got quite a bit on my site about it.  A Low Fat Diet will also drop your blood pressure significantly.

--Have you checked out a DASH Diet?  It's specifically designed for high blood pressure.

--If you lose weight too rapidly, it can lower your testosterone:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Lose_Weight_Gradually

One of the guys on this forum has lost 80 pounds, so I'm sure he has some good tips if you want any.  I just lost about 10 myself.

Gotta run.  Let us know what you think...
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Re: Just starting troubleshooting
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2013, 06:48:49 pm »


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Re: Just starting troubleshooting
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2013, 10:48:27 pm »
I'll turn 45 in June. I am 5' 10.5" and 205 lbs.  I've started noticing issues about 2 years ago. That's the same time I started with meds for blood pressure and choelesterol. I stopped taking blood pressure meds about a year ago as I couldn't tolerate them that well. After trying different meds for cholesterol I am currently taking 40mg of Pravastatin, 2400 mg fish oil, 5000mg of D3 (although I am supposed to bump that up to 10000mg) and now along with two tubes of Testim, and one baby apirin and a 20mg Omeprazole. Since taking the Testim, i can tell a little bit of improvement in the mornings.

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Re: Just starting troubleshooting
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2013, 04:58:57 pm »
Update; the two tubes of testim raised my T to around 499. So the Dr. decided to put my on self injections of Depo. I gotta say so far I hate it. Still can't get over the anxiety of injecting myself, but I have been doing it. And so far since I have been getting treated for low T, I haven't been able to tell much difference except for the erections through the night and morning. Which doesn't do me or the wife any good. Although we did enjoy the Cialis. Anyway I'm leaning towards going back to the topical gels. Any suggestions?

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Re: Just starting troubleshooting
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Re: Just starting troubleshooting
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2013, 05:10:49 pm »
Update; the two tubes of testim raised my T to around 499. So the Dr. decided to put my on self injections of Depo. I gotta say so far I hate it. Still can't get over the anxiety of injecting myself, but I have been doing it. And so far since I have been getting treated for low T, I haven't been able to tell much difference except for the erections through the night and morning. Which doesn't do me or the wife any good. Although we did enjoy the Cialis. Anyway I'm leaning towards going back to the topical gels. Any suggestions?

Sorry I missed your last post in January btw.  If I miss something keep after me or even PM me.

So by Depo you mean enanthate, right?  If so, then I have a question:  how often do you inject?  And  a second question:  what does your follow up T and E2 readings say?

Now I want to go back to something:  you said that with the injections you are now getting morning erections, right?  This is huge.  And, if you were not getting that with the testim, that tells you something right there.  The reason that the injections may not be doing what you want during the day could be the E2, which is why I ask what your last reading was.
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Re: Just starting troubleshooting
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2013, 06:54:02 pm »
I'll turn 45 in June. I am 5' 10.5" and 205 lbs.  I've started noticing issues about 2 years ago. That's the same time I started with meds for blood pressure and choelesterol. I stopped taking blood pressure meds about a year ago as I couldn't tolerate them that well. After trying different meds for cholesterol I am currently taking 40mg of Pravastatin, 2400 mg fish oil, 5000mg of D3 (although I am supposed to bump that up to 10000mg) and now along with two tubes of Testim, and one baby apirin and a 20mg Omeprazole. Since taking the Testim, i can tell a little bit of improvement in the mornings.

Also, make sure you get tested imo:  those are high dosages of Vitamin D.  Be careful with your soft tissues...
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Re: Just starting troubleshooting
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2013, 08:26:35 pm »
It is Depo Testosterone cypionate injection.? I inject 1ML once a week. I haven't hasda follow up since I started injections yet. The last test was when I was doing two tubes of testim. I think that brought me up to around 499. And btw I was getting morning erections with the testim. Even when I first started with one tube. But during the daytime hours I can only manage semi-erections. I'm not sure what E2 is? I apologize about not being very educated on all the readings yet, but my Dr really only gives me info if I ask him about it. He does do blood tests every time I see him. And keep in mind he was first targeting my cholesterol first. It wasn't till I started mentioning erection problems that he finally started to treat my testosterone with my coaxing him. I'm also getting a little frustrated that I can't seem to lose weight still, even though this is the best I have ever exercised and watching what I eat.

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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2013, 09:12:33 pm »
It is Depo Testosterone cypionate injection.? I inject 1ML once a week. I haven't hasda follow up since I started injections yet. The last test was when I was doing two tubes of testim. I think that brought me up to around 499. And btw I was getting morning erections with the testim. Even when I first started with one tube. But during the daytime hours I can only manage semi-erections. I'm not sure what E2 is? I apologize about not being very educated on all the readings yet, but my Dr really only gives me info if I ask him about it. He does do blood tests every time I see him. And keep in mind he was first targeting my cholesterol first. It wasn't till I started mentioning erection problems that he finally started to treat my testosterone with my coaxing him. I'm also getting a little frustrated that I can't seem to lose weight still, even though this is the best I have ever exercised and watching what I eat.

Okay, weekly is good.

Well, in general, testosterone is pro-erection both in the short term and the long term.  Let's look at the short term first:  it improves the processing to get nitric oxide and thus will usually improve NO levels mildly and can lower blood pressure because of it.  It also raised libido and mood.  All of these can very rapidly help you in the bedroom.  And testosterone will also protect and in some ways heal your arteries:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_Heart_Disease

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_Aging

So more testosterone will usually mean more and better performance under the covers (or the location of your choice).

However, here is the problem with raising your testosterone to higher levels, which almost for sure the injections are doing:  some men are high converters due to being overweight or other poorly understood factors.  By "high converter" I man that a lot of their testosterone will be converted to estradiol (E2).  Elevated estradiol will usually put the brakes on libido, erections and mood in much the same way that low testosterone does. 

Yes, you need some estradiol, i.e. you don't want to go too low:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Do_Men_Need_Estrogen

But, on the other hand, you do not want to go too high according to some research:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2010/may2010_Why-Estrogen-Balance-is-Critical-to-Aging-Men_01.htm

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/nov2008_Dangers-of-Excess-Estrogen-in-the-Aging-Male_01.htm

Do a search at the top of the forum on estradiol and arimidex and you'll see a lot of posts about this.  Getting estradiol under control, based on what I've seen, is usually critical to the success of an injection protocol.  Discuss all of this with your physician and I hope all of that makes some sense!
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2013, 03:43:45 am »
Hmmm... Well if nothing else at least something has caused my blood pressure to lower to where it needs to be. I'm interested in switching from injections back to a cream/gel with higher % of Testosterone in them?? Next blood draw I will ask about my E2 level. What other test results are important to ask for? I guess this this low T thing could be a little more complicated than I thought. Wondering if I should switch doctors to somebody that will analyze all my different "levels" to figure out how to treat. Not sure if my current dr is doing that. 

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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2013, 06:50:45 am »
Hmmm... Well if nothing else at least something has caused my blood pressure to lower to where it needs to be. I'm interested in switching from injections back to a cream/gel with higher % of Testosterone in them?? Next blood draw I will ask about my E2 level. What other test results are important to ask for? I guess this this low T thing could be a little more complicated than I thought. Wondering if I should switch doctors to somebody that will analyze all my different "levels" to figure out how to treat. Not sure if my current dr is doing that.

Well, many docs don't monitor E2 and I'll tell you why:  the prostate cancer studies have not yet shown a relationship between E2 and prostate cancer (as far as I know).  This was their big concern initially:  overweight men and other subpopulations might be at increased risk for prostate cancer.  However, they did several large studies and found no such connection and so the medical community has essentially written off estradiol as being irrelevant.

Well, even if it is irrelevant regarding prostate cancer, that does NOT mean it is irrelevant when it comes to mood, libido and endothelial function.  Most docs just do not know about these relationships and the reason is simply that THEY do not have the erectile dysfunction.  In my opinion it's important to find a doc that knows about estradiol.  In fact, let me ask a question:  why would estradiol be any less important than prolactin?  testosterone?  cortisol?  I mean you can't just ignore one of these major hormones - it doesn't make sense - and that's essentially what these docs are doing.

Yes, you can get a gel with a higher percentage but you'll have to go with a compounder more than likely:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Compounding_Testosterone
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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2013, 02:24:49 am »
So I will ask my Dr. next visit to check my estradiol level. What other levels should I ask for? Also my Dr already uses a compound pharmacy. So if I want to switch back to a gel from injections, what percentage of testosterone gel could I ask for?



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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2013, 04:37:46 am »
So I will ask my Dr. next visit to check my estradiol level. What other levels should I ask for? Also my Dr already uses a compound pharmacy. So if I want to switch back to a gel from injections, what percentage of testosterone gel could I ask for?

You have to rely on the compounder for this.  It depends on their PLO and previous experience.  Usually docs will call them up and ask for advice from what I have seen.

Here are some other ideas:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/testosterone_tests
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2014, 02:34:49 am »
I stopped using any testosterone. It wasn't increasing my numbers, except it made my CBC raise. I was also put on Blood pressure meds at the same time I quit the testosterone. But from the time I stopped the testosterone cream, and started BP meds, my total testosterone jumped to a whopping 430. Free 80. 1.9%! That's the highest its been. I also have to continue to manage my cholesterol with meds.

I also test my Nitric Oxide which also shows depleted. And the only other abnormal number has been the Leutinizing Hormone of <0.5

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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2014, 04:45:41 am »
I stopped using any testosterone. It wasn't increasing my numbers, except it made my CBC raise. I was also put on Blood pressure meds at the same time I quit the testosterone. But from the time I stopped the testosterone cream, and started BP meds, my total testosterone jumped to a whopping 430. Free 80. 1.9%! That's the highest its been. I also have to continue to manage my cholesterol with meds.

I also test my Nitric Oxide which also shows depleted. And the only other abnormal number has been the Leutinizing Hormone of <0.5

Noted.  Well, don't forget about estradiol. 

Have you read my thread on my recent nitric oxide booster.  That dropped my blood pressure 15+ points.
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Re: Just starting troubleshooting
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2014, 01:43:12 am »
With my high blood pressure and cholesterol and low Nitric oxide, I'm thinking bout trying either Citrulline, Neo40 or CoQ10?

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