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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2013, 02:55:49 pm »
Lol

 Well I did read that on effecting vision and all but that wasn't what I meant:-)

 I just meant if I don't get results I can see soon. Which I done have. It's still not all it was but I at least have woke a couple times ready to go which was not happening at all.

 I would say for now the clomid is leveling my estrogen levels. I agree no proof to long term effects so I'll talk to the doc about something else next visit.

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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2013, 03:39:28 pm »
Lol

 Well I did read that on effecting vision and all but that wasn't what I meant:-)

 I just meant if I don't get results I can see soon. Which I done have. It's still not all it was but I at least have woke a couple times ready to go which was not happening at all.

 I would say for now the clomid is leveling my estrogen levels. I agree no proof to long term effects so I'll talk to the doc about something else next visit.

One of the other guys mentioned that Crisler and Shippen, I believe, were going to low dose Clomid as a solution and, I guess, felt pretty good about it.  They've been doing this longer than just about anyone and so they've got a lot of history to make some evaluation anyway.

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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2013, 12:18:40 am »
I'm curious if this can be hereditary. My brother just got checked since I had told him my symptoms and how I now feel. Well he was told he was he was on the lower level but was still in the normal. I asked him where he was and he said 350. I told him come in here and read cause 350 was well low and reall at his age. He is 31.

 He did do some reading while we were talking and seen topics where they said he should not be below 600 at his age at the lowest.

 None the less I'm curious if this can run in the family? I had no issues at his age for sure.

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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2013, 03:02:34 am »
I'm curious if this can be hereditary. My brother just got checked since I had told him my symptoms and how I now feel. Well he was told he was he was on the lower level but was still in the normal. I asked him where he was and he said 350. I told him come in here and read cause 350 was well low and reall at his age. He is 31.

 He did do some reading while we were talking and seen topics where they said he should not be below 600 at his age at the lowest.

 None the less I'm curious if this can run in the family? I had no issues at his age for sure.

I don't know of any heriditary link.  It is much more likely imo that dietary, lifestyle and/or shared toxins during pregancy/childhood are responsible. 

The other thing is that hypogonadism is very common in young guys now.  I am actually shocked as I used to get many more seniors and middle-aged men writing in and now it is the other way around:  40 and under is more common.  One could argue that that is because younger guys are on the computer, but I am still amazed at the percentages.
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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2013, 02:35:37 am »
Well I can tell you one thing that can be ruled out with my brother. It's being on a computer. That guy is an avid hunter and is in the woods when he is not working and even in his energy loss he is still hunting just finding it harder to do it as many hours a day. So computer is not his issue.

 I know our father is up at 4:30 am every day work or not. I really don't think he has the issue so would not be from him if it was. He is very active still at 61 and far more so then most in there 40s so I can't see him being a low T person. I just found it odd both my brother and I having this issue. I'm pretty sure our middle brother has none. Very lean naturally so his metabolism is clearly good. I think that usually means good T level from what I've read.

 It seems my levels of estrogen and testosterone are getting better. I get aroused a bit easier though even if I wake aroused its not fully hard. I did some ready in someone else's thread on that a bit and not sure what to think yet. I'm not in horrible shape. Though I gained about 7 pounds over Christmas holiday and returning before back in the gym I still workout and don't think out of shape as I read can cause that is my issue. I guess see if things continue changing while on this clomid and until I get new bloodwork done.

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« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2013, 07:36:11 am »
Glad to hear you're feeling better.

And keep in mind we really don't know how to evaluate what caused the loss of testosterone.  In fact, most doctors don't even bother to find out if you are primary or secondary!
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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2013, 03:44:31 pm »
 What do you mean by primary or secondary?

 I do feel much better and thank you. I think that the more weeks that go by the better I have felt to. More consistent I should say. More so all week long. First I seem to have almost jitters from the injection the first few days and not much a day or two after that but then later that week feeling good again. Now I just seem to have consistent energy which is what I needed. To feel good all the time not some of the time.

 

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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2013, 08:51:31 pm »
What do you mean by primary or secondary?

 I do feel much better and thank you. I think that the more weeks that go by the better I have felt to. More consistent I should say. More so all week long. First I seem to have almost jitters from the injection the first few days and not much a day or two after that but then later that week feeling good again. Now I just seem to have consistent energy which is what I needed. To feel good all the time not some of the time.

Primary hypogonadism means that low testosterone has resulted from the fact that the testes themselves are not functioning properly.

Secondary hypogonadism means low T as a result of pituitary or hypothalmic issues but the testes are okay.
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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2013, 02:46:28 pm »
Hmmm. Ok that makes me question now if primary is a worse scenario then secondary.

 My Dr told me that male erection is a great part mental. Of course the fact that I did have low T was the initial reason but even after taking testosterone injections I was still not easily aroused. Enter clomid then to try to help balance estrogen levels. This is now my new Dr who is slightly shooting in the dark cause my blood work was not faxed to him as requested. So he had to take my word on the numbers but at the same time knew I was clearly low cause I had a script for testosterone.

 In all of this not knowing exactly all the numbers he gave me a script for cialis and said it would make the erection happen and from there he thought I would need it no more cause my mental block would be gone. Well I had no need for this seeing my GF is 7000 miles away roughly but thought it could be quite handy to have this summer when I'm back with her. Not to mention she is 17 years younger then me so a little bonus help couldn't hurt:-))

 Well I got curious this last weekend seeing I was waking with partial erections. Not fully hard but good part there. Had some concerns if I had other issues. So the Dr told me not to take the whole pill cause it was the very strongest and he did not believe I had any need for it. Just take a bit of the pill and I had several dosages available then. So it's what I did. Ohhhh my. That stuff works lol. Takes little to get me aroused again and now its Tuesday and I took that Saturday morning and I'm still waking with wood. I'm wondering now if its still in my system or as the Dr said it was a lot in my head after having the issue and one being embarrassed and two scared to even try when I was with my GF cause of it. I know it says 36 hours and I'm at 72 now and things seem to be like they used to be again. I don't know if it will stay or not but I know regardless what I think I'm going to take in July when I'm back with my GF lol :-)))

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« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2013, 04:22:58 pm »
Hmmm. Ok that makes me question now if primary is a worse scenario then secondary.

 My Dr told me that male erection is a great part mental. Of course the fact that I did have low T was the initial reason but even after taking testosterone injections I was still not easily aroused. Enter clomid then to try to help balance estrogen levels. This is now my new Dr who is slightly shooting in the dark cause my blood work was not faxed to him as requested. So he had to take my word on the numbers but at the same time knew I was clearly low cause I had a script for testosterone.

 In all of this not knowing exactly all the numbers he gave me a script for cialis and said it would make the erection happen and from there he thought I would need it no more cause my mental block would be gone. Well I had no need for this seeing my GF is 7000 miles away roughly but thought it could be quite handy to have this summer when I'm back with her. Not to mention she is 17 years younger then me so a little bonus help couldn't hurt:-))

 Well I got curious this last weekend seeing I was waking with partial erections. Not fully hard but good part there. Had some concerns if I had other issues. So the Dr told me not to take the whole pill cause it was the very strongest and he did not believe I had any need for it. Just take a bit of the pill and I had several dosages available then. So it's what I did. Ohhhh my. That stuff works lol. Takes little to get me aroused again and now its Tuesday and I took that Saturday morning and I'm still waking with wood. I'm wondering now if its still in my system or as the Dr said it was a lot in my head after having the issue and one being embarrassed and two scared to even try when I was with my GF cause of it. I know it says 36 hours and I'm at 72 now and things seem to be like they used to be again. I don't know if it will stay or not but I know regardless what I think I'm going to take in July when I'm back with my GF lol :-)))

Okay, Scottie I saw your post on the other thread:  looks like you're injecting weekly.  I'd still like to know your original testosterone numbers.

Well, a comment:  it could be psychological, especially in a relatively young guy like yourself.  They do use PDE5 inhibitors to help with psychogenic erectile dysfunction for example:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Psychogenic_Erectile_Dysfunction

You're going to have to do some experimenting though.  It could be mostly psychological.  Based on reading between the lines on your threads, I think you are pretty nervous and that is understandable.  It's a lot of pressure and a lot of change.  So this could definitely be playing a role, eh?

It is very common for younger guys to start using Viagra/Cialis as a "bedroom insurance" policy.  And I'm sure there are guys on testosterone for the same reason.  And, once you start, it's hard to wean yourself off of these things if you are indeed healthy.

However, the decrease or even loss of morning erections can be a sign of waning nitric oxide and testosterone, so, again, you are going to have to experiment and find out just where you are at.  In the meantime, work on stress and cortisol reduction to see if that helps:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Hdr_Cortisol

If you decide to stay on the PDE5 Inhibitors, get the dosage as low as possible.  You can become resistant and dependent on them:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Hdr_PDE5
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« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2013, 07:13:53 pm »
My original testosterone level was 176 when I was tested the first time. I will have new blood work done in about 4 to 5 weeks again. My family Dr said I was very low but his knowledge was clearly not much into all this. New Dr said yes I was very low too and looking where most men are being put at 1000 yea I was way low. Don't know now but soon will see new tests.

 I can see it being psychological cause I do worry about it all the time now and what will happen next time I'm with her. It would be nice if its now cleared up.

 I was actually going to have new tests run last weekend but Dr's building burnt down last week from its neighbor building catching on fire. So waiting for a new office which I hope happens soon cause I want everything checked and in balance. As soon as I get new tests I will post my new results.

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« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2013, 07:34:20 pm »
My original testosterone level was 176 when I was tested the first time. I will have new blood work done in about 4 to 5 weeks again. My family Dr said I was very low but his knowledge was clearly not much into all this. New Dr said yes I was very low too and looking where most men are being put at 1000 yea I was way low. Don't know now but soon will see new tests.

 I can see it being psychological cause I do worry about it all the time now and what will happen next time I'm with her. It would be nice if its now cleared up.

 I was actually going to have new tests run last weekend but Dr's building burnt down last week from its neighbor building catching on fire. So waiting for a new office which I hope happens soon cause I want everything checked and in balance. As soon as I get new tests I will post my new results.

Okay, wait.  Now that I see that low T number, I do have an important comment:  if you were low testosterone for a long time, this is very hard on your arteries and can lead to varying degrees of venous leakage as well.   Both of these are bad for erectile strength obviously.  Thereforme, it may take time for you to rebuild just from the testosterone alone.

In addition, the fact that the Cialis helped so much may also be a sign that your endothelial system may have been damaged a little.  Imo the best way to test this is to go natural:  got as low as you can on the Cialis and heal your endothelium with proper diet (Low Fat or maybe Mediterranean or maybe DASH), ample exercise and sleep and make sure you get NO boosting foods, etc.   Stress reduction could be incredibly important as well. 

Unfortunately, without a lot of expensive testing, there is no good way to perfectly evaluate yourself except just to experiment and try some things.  But, at your age, I can tell you that you can almost for sure completely heal yourself if you're serious about going natural...

And, by the way, I think you're seeing a lot of signs of that already - congrats!
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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2013, 03:27:56 am »
Well I don't know what all is the good foods for this but almost a daily diet for me is morning breakfast burrito I make. Eggs, ham, cheese, on 100% whole wheat tortilla. Dinner daily and the guys at work give me crap cause its almost every day lol but salmon and a can of green beens. Usually a cup of chocolate milk and a couple clementines some where in there to. Chicken breast in some form for dinner. Weekends I have no plan. I eat what I want. I do try to workout daily during the week lift and cardio.

 The testosterone has made a nice difference in my lifting to:-)

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« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2013, 05:42:54 am »
Well I don't know what all is the good foods for this but almost a daily diet for me is morning breakfast burrito I make. Eggs, ham, cheese, on 100% whole wheat tortilla. Dinner daily and the guys at work give me crap cause its almost every day lol but salmon and a can of green beens. Usually a cup of chocolate milk and a couple clementines some where in there to. Chicken breast in some form for dinner. Weekends I have no plan. I eat what I want. I do try to workout daily during the week lift and cardio.


You realize you're eating a typical Western Diet? 

Imagine a world with no heart disease, no high blood pressure where the people live to be 85-105 without dementia and walk up and down mountains with ease until their very late senior years (90+).  These cultures exist and they eat the opposite of us:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Review_Healthy_At_100

Now imagine a world filled with heart disease, high blood pressure and Alzheimers where the only thing that keeps everyone alive and limping into their 60's and 70's is advanced medical technology and a very soft, easy lifestyle with few demands.  This is the road that a Western Diet will lead you down.

I know eating is religious, so if you disagree with me, that's fine and just ignore it...
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« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2013, 12:17:46 am »
No I didn't. I figured a typical western diet would Mc Donald's about once a day or some form of fast food which I try to stay away from. I eat salmon cause of the omegas in it and have read very healthy. My green beens I simply eat out of a can cause of convience opposed to trying to bring frozen into a factory. Working on an assembly line with 30 min for lunch to hear up eat and get to the bathroom does not make eating good easy either.

 I'm all ears for better plans. If I can do it I will but time is an issue. At work and after but I do try to be healthy and eat healthy.

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