My Arousal System Is Not Working

[WoundedLion]

Hi, I am new to this forum this is my first post.I am a male 44 and i have ED since i was 24 (20years).Severity has turned from mild to severe .Recently (ie for the last 9 months) Viagra , Cialis Levitra dont seem to work at ALL.

the main observation recently after thinking through this problem is

1.I cant seem to get aroused from sensual kisses, touches nipple suck from my sexy ,young, pretty NEW girlfriend
whats wrong with the chemicals in my brain and body?
I dont get those electric signals and those nice sensations that translate into a HARD erection..it got so bad she asked what else she  can do to turn me on...sometimes even blow jobs(oral sex) have failed to arouse me.
I am beggining to think that its a combination of poor signal from brain+ poor circulation, + low Nitric  Oxide etc but mainly poor brain to penis communication.

2.Its hard work to get an erection and even when i get it its not as hard and only lasts for a few seconds and then its gone.I have also gone soft sometimes whilst i am having sex with her.

I am interested in hearing how you have been in this situation and have resolved it and which supplements you took.Not Viagra,Cialis,Levitra they dont seem to work anymore .I am interested in hearing about your success and solutions rather than causes but i am willing to hear anything,I have spent weeks of research and trying some supplements for a week but havent seen any improvement yet ..maybe its too early

supplements are

L-Arginine(free form Larginine)
L Citrulline
Pycnogenol
CDP-Choline
Nattokinase

Please help

I am quite a horny person , have lots of libido and desire but not the ability . I have a poor refractory period too so this is quite frustrating.I have decided to change this situation as its making my life unhappy and complicated

My new girlfriend is quite understanding but not sure how long for,as i sense frustration burning inside her.... I have lots of desire and libido but poor inadequate erections..help please

[PeakT]

Sorry to hear it.  Well, that's a long time to have E.D. 

My guess is that there are a couple of issues going on.  But you really need to give us a little more of your health history.  Erections and health are intimately tied together as you may know from reading my site.

Can you send testosterone readings?
Blood pressure readings?
Exercise and diet?
Lipid readings?
Any medications, alcohol or recreational drug use?
Are you overweight?

Sorry to get personal, but we need to know all that stuff...

[WoundedLion]

Peak T...No wories its been a while i will try to get these readings , I am based in Uk after several trips to my GP(doctor) i have made no progress, a series of tests have indicated that my T level is OK and my Prolactin is OK but i am not convinced.
I m very disullisioned and not sure where to go with this now.

I am 44 fit as  a fiddle , exercise regularly, no drug misuse ...if anything misuse of sex drugs to solve this silly frustrating situation
Good health , no High blood pressure or diabetes.

I have an appointment soon i will get the readings myself ,they try not to let me have it.Honestly doctors seem clueless about this
Previous assessments  long time ago about a year ago have indicated vitamin D deficiencies bit i have been supplementing on Vitamin D,I have  severe insomnia too but its improved a little. I also had inconsist cholesterol readings in the past , sometimes too low to read

These are all symptons of low Testorone

In summary i believe i have some of the symptoms of Low T ,and also probably one of these guys who need a higher level of Testorone (beyond normal) for a good sexual and erectile function.
Like i said Viagra ,Cialis and Levitra all stopped  working all of a sudden, NOW thats one hell of a hopeless situation.

Recently supplemeting on vitamin E and D  100mg of DHEA ,and D'Aspartic acid  "seems" to show some good encouraging signs  and   a chinese herbal tablet called  SHENBAIJIN, but  it also stopped working "all of a sudden"

It seems to be the chinese drug that did the trick.. temporarily...

During that time , 1 week only ,i could just look at my girl and get a good  teenage ,erection something that hasnt happened in a long while without Viagra or Cialias or Levitra.

I have been reading new promising developments  on  new ED  drugs like (see below)

http://www.accessrx.com/blog/erectile-dysfunction/hard-times-ahead-future-erectile-dysfunction-drugs/

just to keep me hopeful otherwise i would be constantly depressed

My patient girlfriend is waiting for a solution ..i feel time ticking whilst i m not making any progress its so frustrating

Currently i have just started on a daily dose of  25g Clomid and Chrysin and sometimes Novatest, its day 3 havent seen anything.. or felt anything , i constantly monitor my morning wood, very erratic , poor weak
.any words of encoragement please ?.Also i want to hear success stories Please help ...

[rmberwin]

I can only say that during the time I had the best sexual function, and before I got peripheral neuropathy, I was on a raw foods diet and did cardio exercise every day. There's a lot of nonsense written about the raw foods diet in terms of enzymes and 'vital forces', but I found that it works to restore health like nothing else. In any case, just think "eat like a hunter-gatherer"--no processed food, grains, etc.

[PeakT]

Peak T...No wories its been a while i will try to get these readings , I am based in Uk after several trips to my GP(doctor) i have made no progress, a series of tests have indicated that my T level is OK and my Prolactin is OK but i am not convinced.
I m very disullisioned and not sure where to go with this now.

I am 44 fit as  a fiddle , exercise regularly, no drug misuse ...if anything misuse of sex drugs to solve this silly frustrating situation
Good health , no High blood pressure or diabetes.

I have an appointment soon i will get the readings myself ,they try not to let me have it.Honestly doctors seem clueless about this
Previous assessments  long time ago about a year ago have indicated vitamin D deficiencies bit i have been supplementing on Vitamin D,I have  severe insomnia too but its improved a little. I also had inconsist cholesterol readings in the past , sometimes too low to read

These are all symptons of low Testorone

In summary i believe i have some of the symptoms of Low T ,and also probably one of these guys who need a higher level of Testorone (beyond normal) for a good sexual and erectile function.
Like i said Viagra ,Cialis and Levitra all stopped  working all of a sudden, NOW thats one hell of a hopeless situation.

Recently supplemeting on vitamin E and D  100mg of DHEA ,and D'Aspartic acid  "seems" to show some good encouraging signs  and   a chinese herbal tablet called  SHENBAIJIN, but  it also stopped working "all of a sudden"

It seems to be the chinese drug that did the trick.. temporarily...

During that time , 1 week only ,i could just look at my girl and get a good  teenage ,erection something that hasnt happened in a long while without Viagra or Cialias or Levitra.

I have been reading new promising developments  on  new ED  drugs like (see below)

http://www.accessrx.com/blog/erectile-dysfunction/hard-times-ahead-future-erectile-dysfunction-drugs/

just to keep me hopeful otherwise i would be constantly depressed

My patient girlfriend is waiting for a solution ..i feel time ticking whilst i m not making any progress its so frustrating

Currently i have just started on a daily dose of  25g Clomid and Chrysin and sometimes Novatest, its day 3 havent seen anything.. or felt anything , i constantly monitor my morning wood, very erratic , poor weak
.any words of encoragement please ?.Also i want to hear success stories Please help ...

I am sure your doctors mentioned this, but there are big guns that will almost always work to give you an injection, i.e. penile injections (Caverject, etc.)  Discuss with your doctor if interested.  NOTE:  This do not always work and they are not without sides.  On the forum we had a man who felt his penis was damaged from these, but they do usually work.

Now let me go back to something: 

MANY docs here in the U.S. - and it's much more common in the U.K. from what I've seen - will diagnose a man as "okay" when his testosterone is abysmally low.

To me it sound like you may have venous leakage and that more often than not results from low testosterone:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/venous_leakage

Now the fact that you have decent libido means that your testosterone may be okay and perhaps there is some other issue.  But there are several signs that you have low testosterone:

1.  Your "low arousal" symptom is pretty common in low testosterone men
2.  The rapid loss of erection can be a sign of low testosterone
3.  The general erectile dysfunction can be a sign of low T.
4.  The weak or nonexistent morning erections are a sign of low T
5.  The fact your doctor put you Clomid indicates he/she thought you were low T.

By the way, I was low testosterone for probably decades and had a healthy libido until the last few years.  So you don't necessarily have to have all the symptoms simultaneously to have a big issue.

But you really need to get that testosterone number from your doctor.  Just do a search on NHS on our site and you'll see many men with low testosterone on this board that have struggled with issues similar to you.

Now, as far as Clomid, the general pattern, but every guy is different is this:

1.  It usually will boost testosterone significantly but not always.
2.  It generally does not boost libido much but some men do just great in this category.
3.  It will preserve your fertility from what I've seen.
4.  You can sometimes end up with overly high estradiol from it which will negate any benefit from the increase in testosterone that you got.

It is not uncommon for men to have to wait a couple months to start to "feel" anything, assuming that you were low testosterone and your testosterone was actually boosted.  You should ask to be retested soon (if you can afford it to make sure that your testosterone has been increased and your estradiol is not too high.)

[WoundedLion]

Peak T and All,
Thanks for the response , i really appreciate your help. Just a few things , my GP(Doctor) did not put me on Clomid , i read about it thoroughly and bought a generic version online to try for myself.At the moment i tend to lean towards the low testosterone route(as a cause of my ED)  rather than anything else.....

I m so frustrated and  and I am on a time bomb to resolve this issue before my girlfriend's patience runs out....I will wait to see any changes , in the  meantime i will try to monitor my Estradiol level,the frustrating thing here in UK is that you have to keep pestering your doctor for appointments and regularly blood tests , i wish there were  affordable private  tests or self test kits.

So my questions are

1.Is Chrysin a good enough(effective) anti-aromatise supplement to take with Clomid ?

2. Any encouraging success stories out there ?.Please share your experiences

3.What seems to be best and most recommended and widely used  Testosterone Therapy for most guys, Gel,intra gum tablets , pellets,patch,injection ?
4.I have also read about Melanotan II, an anti cancer peptide that seem to cause spontaneous arousal and erections  can anyone share their experiences please? it seems unregulated but i am too desperate i will try it.
The results seem impressive based on what ive read

5.has anyone used the ED1000 sound technology for ED too?  also any news on the Brazilian  venom spider  ED solution too ie pntx2-6 or topiglan or any other impressive new  cures or treatments .When is the final product coming out? (pntx2-6)

6.If viagra , cialis, levitra stops working what can you do to get them working again (assuming you ve boosted) your Testosterone level or what boosts their efficacy again apart from cycling through them etc

Help please any avdice or experiences shared will be greatly appreciated.

[PeakT]

Have you seen the thread on how to get your doc in UK to consider testosterone?  If not, I'll dig that up for you.

I'm not a big chrysin fan, because I've read it can depress thyroid function.  But read the above link as it used and I explain the pros and cons here from what I know:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Natural_Estrogen_Blockers

As you know, I can't encourage anyone to self-treat, but you really need to monitor E2 one way or the other imo.

And, as to your other question, it is very common for men to have PDE5 Failure and I discuss that in these links:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Viagra_Failure

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Cialis_Dependency

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Viagra_Resistance

[WoundedLion]

Thanks very much for you reply Peak T, especially on Chrysin,,, but regarding the other links , i have read most links in your website in my quest to get me out  of this situation.I have read most things . with regard to the other questions ie 2 to 5 users any suggestions or comments please audience  someone please answer

With regards to Chrysin , should i stop using it ?  I think out of any ED issues the worst thing is  when Viagra ,Cialis, Levitra fails or stop working  I had been getting by with them... when they stop working "All of a sudden" its the worst feeling and causes  a sense of hopelessness.

Anyway lets talk solutions, i have tried most things  especially L-Arginine, L Citrilline, Pyncnogenol, Acetocholine,Nattokinase, , i have zinc daily and lots of other supplements(DHEA,Gingko,Korean Ginseng,Maca,Damiana,Rhodiola,Vitamin E, C. many more.) NO IMPROVEMENT ...and a long list of others didnt seem to work, my biggest frustration right now is that my blood tests seems to show OK Testosterone

I am so convinced its Low T manifesting ..especially when Viagra stops working....also i religiousl eat Watermelons , drink pomegranate juice quite regularly but NO sign of improvement ...or am i supposed to drink these  drinks, fruits supplemnts for months and months befor i seee progress ?

Probably because im desperate to solve this mystery so i keep taking D.Aspartic Acid , Novatest  and recently Clomid ..so at the time of test maybe T is showing as OK  , so my Doctor wont put me on TRT or  do anything but refer me to Urologists, or specialist ..these appointments takes months (so frustrating),and dont come easy and dont tend to go anywhere So i resort to self treatment by buying stuff online

In the meantime i have a patient girlfriend but this situation is taking a while and need to be resolved soon . We are both frustrated  Help people share your  successful experiences

My latest hope now is Melatonin 2, the tanning  drug,  that seem to be the bomb ....but i am a very dark skinned blackman, so i  dont want to get any darker( i love my current complexion lol) Help

[PeakT]

Thanks very much for you reply Peak T, especially on Chrysin,,, but regarding the other links , i have read most links in your website in my quest to get me out  of this situation.I have read most things . with regard to the other questions ie 2 to 5 users any suggestions or comments please audience  someone please answer

With regards to Chrysin , should i stop using it ?  I think out of any ED issues the worst thing is  when Viagra ,Cialis, Levitra fails or stop working  I had been getting by with them... when they stop working "All of a sudden" its the worst feeling and causes  a sense of hopelessness.

Anyway lets talk solutions, i have tried most things  especially L-Arginine, L Citrilline, Pyncnogenol, Acetocholine,Nattokinase, , i have zinc daily and lots of other supplements(DHEA,Gingko,Korean Ginseng,Maca,Damiana,Rhodiola,Vitamin E, C. many more.) NO IMPROVEMENT ...and a long list of others didnt seem to work, my biggest frustration right now is that my blood tests seems to show OK Testosterone

I am so convinced its Low T manifesting ..especially when Viagra stops working....also i religiousl eat Watermelons , drink pomegranate juice quite regularly but NO sign of improvement ...or am i supposed to drink these  drinks, fruits supplemnts for months and months befor i seee progress ?

Probably because im desperate to solve this mystery so i keep taking D.Aspartic Acid , Novatest  and recently Clomid ..so at the time of test maybe T is showing as OK  , so my Doctor wont put me on TRT or  do anything but refer me to Urologists, or specialist ..these appointments takes months (so frustrating),and dont come easy and dont tend to go anywhere So i resort to self treatment by buying stuff online

In the meantime i have a patient girlfriend but this situation is taking a while and need to be resolved soon . We are both frustrated  Help people share your  successful experiences

My latest hope now is Melatonin 2, the tanning  drug,  that seem to be the bomb ....but i am a very dark skinned blackman, so i  dont want to get any darker( i love my current complexion lol) Help

WoundedLion:

If you've had E.D. for 20 years, how are you going to solve this in a week without penile injections?  You have to build the internal penile tissues back up if you have been low testosterone for example.  Am I wrong or have you not had regular erections or morning erections for decades?  If so, you very likely have venous leak. 

What I'm getting at is that you and your girlfriend have to be realistic and realize that a problem that's been around for 20 years is probably not going to be solved (in a safe manner) in a week.  It's going to take time and work and troubleshooting. 

The closest thing that may do it for you is a well-run HRT program that manages estradiol, but you don't know until you try.

Just my two cents...

[rmberwin]

I know that this is a sensitive topic, but I thought I'd mention that if you are using porn, there's some evidence that it can mess up your brain and sexual response. Like heroin, it overstimulates the pleasure response and after a while real sex seems boring.

[PeakT]

I know that this is a sensitive topic, but I thought I'd mention that if you are using porn, there's some evidence that it can mess up your brain and sexual response. Like heroin, it overstimulates the pleasure response and after a while real sex seems boring.

Mr. Magoo is our resident Porn Reboot Guru, but I haven't seen him for awhile...

[mrmagoo2010]

Im still here Yeah, do you watch porn, if so, how much?

[WoundedLion]

Guys i dont watch porn at all, i feel quite depressed watching it to see how other guys look so hard and seem to perform like i used to, i still perform  but inconsistently(below satisfactory) usually  1 good session after 6 or 5 failed or poor sessions.As Viagra etc stopped working .I struggle a lot

OK but back to business PeakT , just to update you ....since the last post  ,i have done a lot of reasearch and also managed to get my GP(Doctor) to give me my results.I have pushed my doctors and progressed so hard that i have finally got her to refer me to see an Endocrinologist. I am waiting for that appointment date , probably take months..frustrating!!!

Before i proceed , i have identified some  key findings from my history of lab reports since February, this year.This could be the clue to my ED mystery ..but its early days yet i dont want to get excited

1.My Gonadotrophin levels have been identified as
low my  Serum LH was 1.8 u/L  and FSH 3.8 u/L      the report identifies these as LOW but my Doctor didnt explain this .I found the implications of that by researching ...it means i am "Gonadotropin deficient"... Doctor hasnt reacted  or suggested anything or probably clueless... I only found this out myself last week after requesting ALL my blood test results
other  relevant readings are

LH = 1.8 u/L
FSH = 3.8 u/L   (not so low but low)
Testeorone=623ng/dL   OR 21.6 nmol/L

Prolactin =< 10mu/L   (probably because i had been taking Dostinex at the time to improve my poor refractory period
Triglycerides =0.4mmol/L
HDL Cholesterol = 1.5 mmol/L
LDL Cholesterol = 0.9 mmol/L
Total Cholesterol:HDL ratio 1.7

I now need them to test my Estradiol (E2) and Free Testosterone. consistent, i have most symptons of low T
I am not conviced my T level isMy testorone i would love to go as high as 800 or 1000.
I really want to see spontaneoues erections just by erotic thoughts , sights etc .Peak T  is this possible or am i beeing unrealistic at this age .

I have also been diagnosed as Vitamin D deficient in the past (regarding ED) but I have since been supplementing on 10Ug VitaminD3


Currently i am on
1.   25mg of Clomid daily .

..its been only 1 week and havent seen any changes yet except for some good "small" signs of  regularly morning erections ...but its still early days.! good

2.Stinging Nettle Root extract
3.Chrysin
4.Peperin (Black Pepper  extract)
5.DHEA (100mg)

DAspartic Acid ......Recycling 12 days On 1 week Off

i also take other little supplements on demand ie Maca,Muca pruriens,Damiana, Tongcat Ali,Tribulus Terribulus..etc .. to boost confidence or avoid possible failures.But i am very optimistic....

I had one decent  steamy session  (out of the blue) the other day  with my girlfriend and that made life quite hopeful and promising..but theres been a couple of failures since ...i just dont get hard enough.I have had this problem for too long its about time i fix this permanently..or improve it drastically at least.

After years i am now convinced that i suffer from Gonadotropin defficiency , possibly or probably caused by Hypopituarism

In the meantime i am not sure if i  suffer primary or secondary hypogonadism.
Just to recap I am 44 years old man, fit as  fiddle ,lost lots of weight ,BMI 30.6kg/m2...weight 92Kg  ...eat healthily

I am going to do ALL that it takes to get the Endo to investigate.

In the meantime
My questions now are which is better HCG or Clomid or TRT
(this is my 2nd week on clomid i am impatient)

I bought Clomid off internet , i hope its not a FAKE.
I will try to take a baseline T measurement again to see whether clomid is doing any wonders...but i need to feel it in the bedroom now .....before i consider HCG.


What is the best tried and tested way of increasing my LH and FSH    and fundamentally restoring my sexual function to a good level not teenage adolescent level(i wish)

I dont have libido problems ...im always horny as hell but  I lack the ability to perform ie poor weak erections that cant be sustained or exteremely poor arousal....

Cant wait to see the Endo !! wish me luck

[PeakT]

A few clarifying q's for you:

--I notice that your testosterone is pretty high.  Were you on Clomid when you got the test?  If so, that doesn't make sense either.

--So the only reason you were on cabergoline was the refractory period?  It was not for high prolactin, right?

--Are you sure your triglycerides were .4 mmol/l?  That is very low triglycerides.

[WoundedLion]

Peak T  thanks for the reply i always appreciate your time , help and response ...now answer to your questions

1.At the time of tests,NO  i wasnt on clomid ...this is only my 2nd week on clomid...but i might have been on DAspartic  Acid at the time ..regarding my high T level, i dont trust it T levels can be inconsistent or maybe my T is converting so quickly to Estradiol(E2),,gosh i am becoming an expert in this field(lol)

2.The only reason why i was on Dostinex(cabergoline) was to help reduce my poor refractory period.(thats another issue by itself)...i am convinced there could be something with my pituary gland...but hopefully Endo will do some findings when i eventually see him/her

3.Yes my triglycerides is 0.4mmol/L ,is it that low ?  whats the implications for that.....  from the lab report i gather that the normal range should be between 0.3 and 2.2

Gurus shed some light . on this please ..but Peak my  question about HCG or Clomid  or TRT  still hasnt been answered with respect to  raising LH and FSH  and restoring sexual function
I am also looking at hypothyroidsm as a possible cause but .keeping  an open mind....what are your thoughts pep[le please share your successful experiences!!