JustAskin's Erection Formula: DopaBean, Pantethine and More

[JustAskin]

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The neurotransmitter that carries the sexual message is acetylcholine (ACh). ACh also seems to control sexual behavior through its activity in the brain.
For women, ACh is also a very important part of sexual function.
One way to safely and effectively enhance ACh levels is to take supplements of choline, along with vitamin B5, (pantethine)
So that the body will manufacture more Ach.

This is what I have been taking and it works if: Your T, E2, SHBG, DHT, and others are in a good place.

Dopa-Mind: first to block  MAO-B (dopa inhibit), 
Dopa-Bean (Macuna pruriens) 
Tyrosine 
Doctors Best Brain Enhancers (choline),
Pantethine
L-Citrulline

If you raise Dopamine and Nitric Oxide,  Libido and Especially Erection Quality go way up.

[MODERATOR'S CAUTION:  If you have any medical condition or are on any medication, always ask your physician first!  Also, later in this thread JustAskin wrote that "I do not take Daily, only take all on day when expecting sex.  I forgot to mention before, My Morning Smoothie has Maca."]

[PeakT]

Thx JustAskin. 

Guys, the above is a powerful so go easy as you start.  Try one thing at a time and make watch out for priapism.

Pantethine is a cholesterol lowerer interestingly enough which should help to a small extent with endothelial function.

[PeakT]

I just stickied this thread cuzz both JustAskin and I are seniors.  (Jeez, I hate that word!  How about 'Esteemed Elders?'  No, that's not any better.)  And there is research (Dr. Knoll summarized this) saying that at age 45, your brain loses about 13% of its dopamine per decade.  The eventual outcome?  No more intercourse.  Erectile strength and libido are hammered.  So after about 45 you have to work on neurotransmitters as well and brain function.  JustAskin's formula above is an attempt to go after this long-neglected aspect of things. 

How safe are all of these long term?   Well, no one knows that.  But kudos to him for doing research and proving that the concepts are successful and important to erectile strength.

[JustAskin]

I came up with this thru trial and error, and tons of reading about Dopamine and Nitric Oxide and the roles they play.
We loose so much as we get older. So if you don't replace you will pay the price.
I studies the relationships and what enhanced the others.
There is one more: DMAE:   
 DMAE is a precursor to choline and acetylcholine. but only take one of the acethlcholine activators or trust me it is to much, erections will hurt.

[croaker24]

I just stickied this thread cuzz both JustAskin and I are seniors.  (Jeez, I hate that word!  How about 'Esteemed Elders?'  No, that's not any better.)  And there is research (Dr. Knoll summarized this) saying that at age 45, your brain loses about 13% of its dopamine per decade.  The eventual outcome?  No more intercourse.  Erectile strength and libido are hammered.  So after about 45 you have to work on neurotransmitters as well and brain function.  JustAskin's formula above is an attempt to go after this long-neglected aspect of things. 

How safe are all of these long term?   Well, no one knows that.  But kudos to him for doing research and proving that the concepts are successful and important to erectile strength.

Or how safe, short term?    For example Tyrosine.    ( http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/supplement/tyrosine  )     

Possible Interactions

If you are being treated with any of the following medications, you should not use tyrosine supplements without first talking to your health care provider.

Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitors (MAOIs) -- Tyrosine may cause a severe increase in blood pressure in people taking antidepressant medications known as MAOIs. This rapid increase in blood pressure, also called "hypertensive crisis,” can lead to a heart attack or stroke. People taking MAOIs should avoid foods and supplements containing tyrosine. MAOIs include:

Isocarboxazid (Marplan)
Phenelzine (Nardil)
Tranylcypromine (Parnate)
Selegiline

Thyroid hormone -- Tyrosine is a precursor to thyroid hormone, so it might raise levels too high when taken with synthetic thyroid hormones.

Levodopa (L-dopa) -- Tyrosine should not be taken at the same time as levodopa, a medication used to treat Parkinson's disease. Levodopa may interfere with the absorption of tyrosine.

[Osprey]

I've had a similar stack going for about 3 weeks.

Differences are I'm taking pantothenic acid instead of pantethine, and alpha GPC instead of Doctor's Best Brain Enhancers. Everything else is the same.

So far have noticed no improvements in any symptoms.

[PeakT]

I just stickied this thread cuzz both JustAskin and I are seniors.  (Jeez, I hate that word!  How about 'Esteemed Elders?'  No, that's not any better.)  And there is research (Dr. Knoll summarized this) saying that at age 45, your brain loses about 13% of its dopamine per decade.  The eventual outcome?  No more intercourse.  Erectile strength and libido are hammered.  So after about 45 you have to work on neurotransmitters as well and brain function.  JustAskin's formula above is an attempt to go after this long-neglected aspect of things. 

How safe are all of these long term?   Well, no one knows that.  But kudos to him for doing research and proving that the concepts are successful and important to erectile strength.

Or how safe, short term?    For example Tyrosine.    ( http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/supplement/tyrosine  )     

Possible Interactions

If you are being treated with any of the following medications, you should not use tyrosine supplements without first talking to your health care provider.

Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitors (MAOIs) -- Tyrosine may cause a severe increase in blood pressure in people taking antidepressant medications known as MAOIs. This rapid increase in blood pressure, also called "hypertensive crisis,” can lead to a heart attack or stroke. People taking MAOIs should avoid foods and supplements containing tyrosine. MAOIs include:

Isocarboxazid (Marplan)
Phenelzine (Nardil)
Tranylcypromine (Parnate)
Selegiline

Thyroid hormone -- Tyrosine is a precursor to thyroid hormone, so it might raise levels too high when taken with synthetic thyroid hormones.

Levodopa (L-dopa) -- Tyrosine should not be taken at the same time as levodopa, a medication used to treat Parkinson's disease. Levodopa may interfere with the absorption of tyrosine.

Thx croaker.  I put a warning in the original post - see above.

[JustAskin]

I take  Pantethine for it's Cholesterol control. Just so happens it also helps with endothelial function.
I take synthroid 25mcg. each morning, and monitor my levels often, so far I have seen no signs of levels increasing from the tyrosine.

Pantethine is a combination of the vitamin pantothenic acid and the low-molecular-weight aminothiol cysteamine.
It is the biologically active form of pantothenic acid (vitamin B5).
Pantothenic acid is composed of a single molecule, whereas pantethine consists of two pantothenic acid molecules linked by a cysteamine bridging group.
When ingested, pantethine is hydrolyzed into cysteamine and pantothenic Acid. Cysteamine plays a role in supporting a healthy metabolism of cholesterol and triglycerides.

This is the Pantethine I take:
http://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Pantethine-Supports-Metabolism/dp/B0013OXA4K

[PeakT]

the low-molecular-weight aminothiol cysteamine.

I was wondering where they got the bridge molecule there.  Looks like it may protect against cancer:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20654463

Looks like cysteamine is a downstream product of cysteine metabolism, so that's good:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cysteamine

"Cysteamine is the chemical compound with the formula HSCH2CH2NH2. It is the simplest stable aminothiol and a degradation product of the amino acid cysteine."

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[JustAskin]

This info. helped me come up with what I use.

Arousal involves transforming the sex drive into a signal from the brain to activate the genitals. Acetylcholine is involved in transmitting the signal through the parasympathetic nerves to the genitals. Nitric oxide (formed from L-arginine by Nitric Oxide Synthetase in nerves) is then released, activates the intracellular enzyme guanylyl cyclase, which then makes cyclic guanylate monophoasphate (cGMP), which relaxes vascular smooth muscle, opens blood flow, and causes and erection. cGMP's actions are terminated by Phosphodiesterase

Then just use Google and Peak Testosterone Site info.

[PeakT]

Pantenthine has some pretty remarkable properties.  It helps with diabetes probably and, of course, also with lipids.  I didn't know it had so many superpowers.

[JustAskin]

Pantethine is a premier energy boosting and metabolic support nutrient. It is a derivative of vitamin B5 (pantothenic acid). This derivative (pantetheine) is double bonded with sulfur to form the dietary supplement ingredient, pantethine. The sulfur bond enables pantethine to have special biological activity that vitamin B5 does not have.*

 Pantethine directly supports the normal formation of HDL cholesterol (helps make Apo A-I and Apo A-II that are needed to form HDL).* Pantethine also promotes the healthy function the enzyme called HMG CoA reductase, an important enzyme in the normal regulation of cholesterol.*

[PeakT]

Pantethine is a premier energy boosting and metabolic support nutrient. It is a derivative of vitamin B5 (pantothenic acid). This derivative (pantetheine) is double bonded with sulfur to form the dietary supplement ingredient, pantethine. The sulfur bond enables pantethine to have special biological activity that vitamin B5 does not have.*

 Pantethine directly supports the normal formation of HDL cholesterol (helps make Apo A-I and Apo A-II that are needed to form HDL).* Pantethine also promotes the healthy function the enzyme called HMG CoA reductase, an important enzyme in the normal regulation of cholesterol.*

Wow.  What a hack.  Well, wait, you said that it is really pantothenic acid with the bridge between right?

[Hoosier52]

What dosages of each? Just ordered some and will give it a try. I also just started SubQ T Cyp. Any advice or cautions? Thanks.

[JustAskin]

 1 Dopa-Mind: first to block  MAO-B (dopa inhibit), 
 1 Dopa-Bean (Macuna pruriens)  Solaray = 333mg.
 1 N-Acetyl Tyrosine   (Jarrow's Formulas) = 350mg.
 1 Doctors Best Natural Brain Enhancers (choline), = (GlyceroPhosphoCholine (GPC) = 300mg. Phosphatidylserine (PS) = 100mg.)
 1 Jarrow's  Pantethine = 450mg.
 2 Endothelial Defense with Full Spectrum Pomegranate and Cordiart
 2 Source Naturals L-Citrulline = 1000mg. Ea.
 Tadalafil (Cialis generic) take what you normally would take. I take 3mg.

Be careful and start slow, once I took 7mg. Tadalafil with the above and go so erect it burst a small vessel in penis head.

Advice on SubQ. 
If I don't inject at navel level and below it does not absorb as good, I if go above it leaves a nodule that is very slow to dissolve.
I don't have much body fat so the area above navel is more firm than below navel. Labs are much better with the below method