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Re: 18y updated situation
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2015, 07:38:04 pm »
 I don't think I saw prolactin or cortisol? Am on phone so may have missed it.
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Re: 18y updated situation
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2015, 10:04:33 pm »
You have an 84 inch waist?
Hi. My bad. Ofcourse it should be 84 cm which equals to 32inches.


I don't think I saw prolactin or cortisol? Am on phone so may have missed it.

I haven't got cortisol measured.

Prolactin was:
6.5 ng/ml, 33ng/ml, 16ng/ml, 7ng/ml, 7.1 ng/ml (2-17ng/ml)

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« Last Edit: December 27, 2015, 10:09:04 pm by jumpingthrough »
Age: 18
Weight: 77kg/170lbs
Height: 5'10/180cm

Tests taken 8-9AM
Total t: 369ng/dl, 430ng/dl
TSH: 3.2miu/L
SHBG/ 18nmol/L

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Re: 18y updated situation
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2015, 10:04:33 pm »


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Re: 18y updated situation
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2015, 04:09:37 am »
You have an 84 inch waist?
Hi. My bad. Ofcourse it should be 84 cm which equals to 32inches.


I don't think I saw prolactin or cortisol? Am on phone so may have missed it.

I haven't got cortisol measured.

Prolactin was:
6.5 ng/ml, 33ng/ml, 16ng/ml, 7ng/ml, 7.1 ng/ml (2-17ng/ml)

I really appreciate this forum and users like you, Peak. Thanks.

Check out this page:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Hypothyroidism_High_Prolactin

Read all of K's stuff on cortisol.  He has uncovered super interesting research on cortisol - probably the best I have seen out there.
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Re: 18y updated situation
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2015, 07:54:22 am »
I think your estrogen is high. Your symptoms correlate with high estradiol, as I was checking this out yesterday.

Also, I read a study which tested estrogen patches on men with hot flashes. It stated that the patches (extra estrogen) lowered fsh, but lh remained the same. Which correlates with your blood test.

Have you ever taken Accutane? Had a karyotype test done?

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Re: 18y updated situation
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2015, 07:54:22 am »


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Re: 18y updated situation
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2015, 11:58:44 pm »
You have an 84 inch waist?
Hi. My bad. Ofcourse it should be 84 cm which equals to 32inches.


I don't think I saw prolactin or cortisol? Am on phone so may have missed it.

I haven't got cortisol measured.

Prolactin was:
6.5 ng/ml, 33ng/ml, 16ng/ml, 7ng/ml, 7.1 ng/ml (2-17ng/ml)

I really appreciate this forum and users like you, Peak. Thanks.

Check out this page:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Hypothyroidism_High_Prolactin

Read all of K's stuff on cortisol.  He has uncovered super interesting research on cortisol - probably the best I have seen out there.

Okay. I will. Thanks

I think your estrogen is high. Your symptoms correlate with high estradiol, as I was checking this out yesterday.

Also, I read a study which tested estrogen patches on men with hot flashes. It stated that the patches (extra estrogen) lowered fsh, but lh remained the same. Which correlates with your blood test.

Have you ever taken Accutane? Had a karyotype test done?

My estrogoen (normal test) was Estradiol - 19.5pg/ml

This is fairly normal if I am correct?

I never had a karyotype test done, I don't have access to it either unfortunately.

I've never taken Accutane. I've only taken tetracycline (antibiotic). Why?

Age: 18
Weight: 77kg/170lbs
Height: 5'10/180cm

Tests taken 8-9AM
Total t: 369ng/dl, 430ng/dl
TSH: 3.2miu/L
SHBG/ 18nmol/L

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Re: 18y updated situation
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2015, 12:03:25 am »
13.9 is the old osteoporosis threshold from what I read.  But you don't want to be anywhere near that
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Re: 18y updated situation
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2015, 01:32:28 pm »
My 19.5pg/ml reading was from a standard estradiol test. This tend to test incorrectly higher if I'm right. Would it mean my estradiol in reality probably is lower?
Age: 18
Weight: 77kg/170lbs
Height: 5'10/180cm

Tests taken 8-9AM
Total t: 369ng/dl, 430ng/dl
TSH: 3.2miu/L
SHBG/ 18nmol/L

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Re: 18y updated situation
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2015, 02:48:56 pm »
My 19.5pg/ml reading was from a standard estradiol test. This tend to test incorrectly higher if I'm right. Would it mean my estradiol in reality probably is lower?

A very good chance, yes.  But biometrically you have this thing called reliability, or how when you take a test one time you have a very good chance that its results are roughly the same the second time.  Non-standard assays are reasonably reliable as far as I can tell, so if you find a study where an estradiol number is pulled -- and all studies I know use the standard assay -- then you're fine using the standard assay yourself because you can compare your results with the study's given you share the same assay. 
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Re: 18y updated situation
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2015, 08:43:39 pm »
My 19.5pg/ml reading was from a standard estradiol test. This tend to test incorrectly higher if I'm right. Would it mean my estradiol in reality probably is lower?

Yes assuming it was not LC-MS/MS which is what guys usually mean by "the standard test" from all I have read.  The standard test will pick up on CRP and other molecules.
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Re: 18y updated situation
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2016, 03:58:47 pm »
Hi guys ;D
So this is my situation atm: On TRT 120mg per week for 5 weeks. Last 3 weeks bumped it up to 150mg/week.
I inject every 3.5 days. As for other medications I have since 3 days ago also started taking Milkthistle and Berberine (800mg/day). To hopefully increase my SHBG.

I lift weights 6x days a week about 40-50min per session. And I have a quite physical job.

Lab results below is taken on the morning of third day after injection (I would inject on the evening).

I have all my Pre-TRT lab results on the first post.


Note: I donated blood 1 month ago. I will donate again in 1.5 months.

LABS:
Blood
Hematocrit 0,49 (0,39-0,49)
Hemoglobin 150g/l (134-170g/l)
MCV 96 (82-98FL)

Fat lipids
HDL Cholestrol 1,03 (0,8-2.1mmol/L)
Cholestrol 3,58 (2,9-6,1mmol/L)
LDL Cholestrol 2,36 (1,2-4,3mmol/L)

Glucose 5mmol/L

Hormones
TSH 1,3miU/L (0,4-4,0miu/L (This one really shocks me. I have always been around 3-3.3TSH over the course of 2 ˝ years. Dosen't TRT worsen thyroid function? This puts TSH in optimal range!...)
Total testosterone 138ng/dl (232-900ng/dl)
Estradiol (nonsensitive) <12pg/ml (<40pg/ml)

Liver
ALAT 0,3 ukat/L (0,15-1,1 µkat/L)
ASAT 0,53 (0,25-0,75 µkat/L)

Iron 14umol/L (9-34 µmol/L)

Kidney
Kalium 3,9umol/L (3,5-4,4 mmol/L)
Creatinine108umol/L (60-100 µmol/L)
Natirum 141nmol/L (137-145 mmol/L)

I have a few thoughts. Please write yours.

Obviously my total T is very low considering the amount I inject 75mg every 3.5 days and I'm at 138ng/dl on the third day is awfully low.

1. My medicine might be underdosed?
2. My low SHBG clears the testosterone extremely fast?
3. Why is my TSH in the optimal range for the first time in ever? I thoguht that TRT is suppose to worsen thyroid function not improve it? I must say that on TRT I do feel alot more resistant to cold now. I use to get cold really easily.


How should we proceed?
1. Increase frequency to 3x a week injections?
2. Increase dose?
3. ???????

Thank you very much  :)


« Last Edit: April 07, 2016, 04:02:17 pm by jumpingthrough »
Age: 18
Weight: 77kg/170lbs
Height: 5'10/180cm

Tests taken 8-9AM
Total t: 369ng/dl, 430ng/dl
TSH: 3.2miu/L
SHBG/ 18nmol/L

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Re: 18y updated situation
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2016, 04:48:08 pm »
It's hard to comprehend that you could inject so much testosterone and have such a low serum level. In contrast, 100 mg per week takes me over 1,200 ng/dL. Sure, your SHBG is a little low, but not ridiculously so. And yes, the usual advice is to increase injection frequency and dosage, but it seems as though something else could be going on. Is there any chance what you're injecting is lacking in testosterone? I think I'd want to try a vial from a different lot to be sure.
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Protocol: 3.2 mg TE subQ qd, 2.4 mg TP subQ qd, 20 mcg GnRH subQ 5.25x/d, 6.25 mg DHEA bid, 12.5 mg enclomiphene qod
Approximate levels (peak): TT: 700 ng/dL, E2: 30 pg/mL, DHEA-S: 300 ug/dL, SHBG: 30 nMol/L

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Re: 18y updated situation
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2016, 07:19:50 am »
Thanks. I will try another lab and retest bloods in a Monty. Do you suggest the same frequency or to increase it?
Age: 18
Weight: 77kg/170lbs
Height: 5'10/180cm

Tests taken 8-9AM
Total t: 369ng/dl, 430ng/dl
TSH: 3.2miu/L
SHBG/ 18nmol/L

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Re: 18y updated situation
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2016, 10:42:48 am »
I'd increase the frequency if it's not too much of a hassle.
I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
Age: 60, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 154 lbs
Protocol: 3.2 mg TE subQ qd, 2.4 mg TP subQ qd, 20 mcg GnRH subQ 5.25x/d, 6.25 mg DHEA bid, 12.5 mg enclomiphene qod
Approximate levels (peak): TT: 700 ng/dL, E2: 30 pg/mL, DHEA-S: 300 ug/dL, SHBG: 30 nMol/L

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Re: 18y updated situation
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2016, 06:48:35 pm »
Are you positive you are injecting real test?  It looks like you are shut down due to your levels being lower than original post, but are you positive that it says 200mg/ml?  Or does the bottle say 100mg/ml?

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Re: 18y updated situation
« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2016, 03:25:54 pm »
Are you positive you are injecting real test?  It looks like you are shut down due to your levels being lower than original post, but are you positive that it says 200mg/ml?  Or does the bottle say 100mg/ml?

Hi
I am selfmedicating, so my medicine isn't pharmagrade. The bottle said 250mg/ml of testosterone enanthate and I'm injecting 0,3ml twice a week.

I'm trying another lab now. Yeah I am pretty sure there is atleast some testosterone in the vial as you said. Since my testosterone went down that low and also the estradiol tanked. I could also feel my nuts shrinking abit and scrotum getting abit tighter.

I think it's most likely that the lab was heavily underdosed. But do you think it's likely that my low SHBG tanks out 75mg testosterone to 138ng/dl in only 3 days? I understand that low SHBG clears out testosterone faster. But really that fast? Is there someone with low SHBG that have lab results?

Damn it sucks for sure wasting 2-3 months just wondering if what you're injecting is real..
« Last Edit: April 11, 2016, 03:38:12 pm by jumpingthrough »
Age: 18
Weight: 77kg/170lbs
Height: 5'10/180cm

Tests taken 8-9AM
Total t: 369ng/dl, 430ng/dl
TSH: 3.2miu/L
SHBG/ 18nmol/L

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Re: 18y updated situation
« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2016, 03:25:54 pm »