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4 days ago
I have a question 🤔
If your natural testosterone was in the 400eds , Would you get on Testosterone? my free T is like 11.2 , not comsidered low, but it’s on the lower end of normal , i’m 58 with Graves disease.. my thyroid is pretty controlled with the help of meds .

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Yes

I would.. mine was around 350 and I felt terrible. 6 months of TRT and was cruising around 800-900 and felt great!

If I felt good no, I would use nutrition, exercise, and natural supplement

Probably not if you feel good.

What does your doctor advise?

If you're not symptomatic no you're not a candidate with those labs. That said TRT clinics will put most everyone on TRT.

Yes a man feels good above 600 or 900 depending on their culture don’t fool yourself with settling for the lower 75th percentile of the male gift.

Real talk: You can always stop if you don’t like it, just make sure you understand what it takes to get your natural production back – the longer you’re on TRT, the harder it becomes to get it back.

I got in with 556 total T and low Free T. I'm 32 and I am feeling amazing. It's been a year.

Probably especially if you feel tired, lack of libido etc. I prefer mine around 750ish

At 58, probably yes. My honest advice at 50, I’m choosing quality of time left vs length of time.

At 50… maybe

Yes.

I went from 207 to 1100….now at 680 on only. 0.2 mL per week…weight is down, muscle up and libido too.

So at 48 my 2 tests averaged a 191 ng/decilitre. Gotta talk to my dr Monday. Sure hope this HRT works so I’ll feel better. Feel so sluggish and tired and absolutely no libido.

Being in the 400s does have you in the upper quartile where 25 year olds should be. We can argue about whether you should maintain that level or simply waste away in the lower levels. Can't answer that for you but without question you do not have the same T levels as that 25 year old

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1 day ago
Insurance forces me to go without T in order for my testing to prove I’m still low without TRT. It sucks. What do y’all do for the depression? And sadness, even tears while waiting for your blood draw?

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My doctor wants me to test seven days after my last injection. After blood work is done I'm good to take my shot on time.

That's insane! What Doctor would agree to such a thing? Just pay out of pocket and stop this craziness it's not expensive.

That's crappy, unnecessary, and barbaric..your T level is gonna be 0 !!….see if your doctor will prescribe without getting insurance involved, and then you can use GoodRX coupons, and it'll still be cheap….unless your doctor has been corrupted by insurance and wants to take you off it anyway because he thinks that's a good idea, in which case I'd find a new doctor.

Stop using insurance. It isn’t there to give you proper care or save you money. It’s a for-profit corporation banking on you not getting seriously ill anytime soon.

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Mostly everyone pays out of pocket in here!

ashwagandha and rhodiola work great for me

I pay out of pocket and it's $35 for a 3 month supply with good rx

With GoodRX I just paid about $27 for a two month supply of testosterone. My insurance will actually pay for it, but it was too much hassle, so I just started paying myself. Then, to my surprise, my GoodRX cost for cash was LESS THAN what I had been paying with my insurance.

To hell with insurance they watch you die before they help you, pay cash take care of you.

Honestly, I would file a complaint with your state medical board. That's absurd. Obviously not an apples to apples metaphor, but that's almost like telling a cancer patient to stop their chemo to make sure they still have cancer. …and then in the meantime just go to a clinic that's fairly inexpensive to go out of pocket.

How long you gotta wait

Get up as early as possible the morning of your blood draw, I'm talkin midnight, to ensure that your level is low.

As far as the depression, if you lose your job, sue that f****** doctor

That would suck ! I would have s serious problem with that. I pay out of pocket

I hear you on this one. My GP left and new one won't prescribe anymore. I had to be referred to endo and not sure if they'll make me do the same. Hopefully they'll take my prior results into consideration instead of making me crash first.

Yeah this is malpractice… would you take a diabetics insulin away? Ya know, just to check they will still die…

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Run…..Don't walk…..get away from that provider…like always said here shop around. They have great links I'm going to use after my cobra

I still can’t go on TRT for other reasons but have mental health problems from childhood abuse and military service. I call lifeline a counselling service in Australia plus see two psychologist and a psychiatrist.

I pay dollar for my testosterone 10ml vial for the longest time I had paid out of pocket my doctor I have now for the past 5years got my insurance to pay for it and my copays is dollar

If you have a good doctor you can get them to override your insurance

My insurance wanted me to do the same. Switched to HSA and use GoodRx when paying.

$32 for a 5ml / 200 enanthate at my local CVS with GoodRx…

Screw that. Buy it through goodrx rather than suffering.

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12 hours ago
Hey guys since starting trt 1 year ago all aspects of my life improved except for the bloated face, especially i grew a double chin, but body comp got better, i must admit even getting my diet worse than before trt ( weekly cheats). All the water ret seems to go to my face, my total test sits around 900. ( 100mg inj 40mg cream daily). Anywone here could Solve the problem about face bloat? I leave a picture of my current physique so maybe i should lean out More for muy face to get leaner? I was fatter before trt but my face was leaner…
Hey guys since starting trt 1 year ago all aspects of my life improved except for the bloated face, especially i grew a double chin, but body comp got better, i must admit even getting my diet worse than before trt ( weekly cheats). All the water ret seems to go to my face, my total test sits around 900. ( 100mg inj 40mg cream daily). Anywone here could Solve the problem about face bloat? I leave a picture of my current physique so maybe i should lean out More for muy face to get leaner? I was fatter before trt but my face was leaner...

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What's your e2 at

Wait whats you dosage?

Yes I would try to cut 10 pounds and see how you look. It’s an easy start.

Just strectch you face out a little bit like in the picture and you will be good 👍

how is your blood pressure?

beware losing facial fat, it ages you and you'll miss it.

Try celery juice and a wheatgrass powdered blend. I do it daily and amd helps with water retention amd face bloating.

if its water or something else, fix it…but facial fat is youth, generally speaking.

It's related of elevated angiotensin 2. Not to e2. I take irbesartan 150mg per day and all the water gone.

Somethings are just genetic

I’m having the same issue. My face looks puffy since starting TRT a few months ago. But I’m 52 and I figure it gives me more of a baby face and I look a little younger so I just roll with it. lol

I have seen people who eat way too much protein getting bloated faces, put's alot of pressure on the kidneys.

1. Switch to testosterone propionate, This actually works. 2. Get leaner 3. Drink more water and do regular light cardio.

I wish I was as fat as you bro:) that’s actually a compliment!

My face also filled out. I did do a water reset….but it's not for everyone

Diet better.

I’m not seeing what you’re seeing. You look great to me.

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6 hours ago
Hello, I rarely post here but have been reading a lot of post where guys say that testosterone cream that you rub on your ball sack is superior to testosterone gel. My question is does your avaerage everyday pharmacies stock the cream. I want to talk to my doctor about switching me to testosterone cream instead of true gel and although I like her she thinks that a total testosterone level of 350 is good and normal for a 58 year old male. I told her at my last visit that I’m not looking for normal. I’m looking for optimal and she didn’t get it. Anyway, thanks for any replies.

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It would have to be a compounding pharmacy.

Empower pharmacy

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Any MD can easily set up an account at a compounder such as Empower. They have salespeople who will bend over backwards to get a new MD account. Will help set up the software etc.

Frankly, if you are wanting optimal, go the shots. My 60 yr old husband started with gel, which kinda worked-ish, or so we thought, but kept giving him rashes. We switched to shots 2xs a week and now I have 60 yr old with the libido of a 17 yr old. Along with help from viagra, we having sex more now, than any time in our 33 yr marriage. This was not happening on the gel. Something to keep in mind. With GoodRx, it's all so much cheaper than insurance.

I get mine made at a compounding pharmacy

The hormone creams are only made by compounding pharmacies. They can contain up to 20% compared to only 1.62 in the gels making the creams much more effective. The cream can also contain up to 4 hormones. Empower actually has a newer and lesser-known hydrogel that I am switching to from the cream that I have been using for years with injections. It’s a 20% cream with even better absorption.

The creams can be compounded to be much stronger than the pump gels. I used gels years and years ago and it didn’t work for me. Have also tried pellets which did increase my testosterone level greatly but didn’t like having to have them inserted and not knowing how long they were going to last however they did get my level over 1,000 and felt great. Switching to suq q injections daily

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11 hours ago
People on Gel, how long did it take before you reached optimum numbers?

***I KNOW INJECTION IS THE #1 ADVICE, but I am trying my best to stick to Gel, I know everyone will advise injections and I know the benefits of it but if someone that has success on gel. Can you show me some motivation on how long it took to find your optimum dosage and number?

(34/M – AndroGel 1.62% (Using Generic Testosterone Gel 1.62%)

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Total T numbers

**06/24/21 – PRE TRT

—TOTAL T – 305 (Range 240 – 899 ng/dL)

—Free T 57.5 (Range 59.0 – 166.0 pg/mL)

**06/30/21 – STARTED 1 PUMPS/DAY TRT

**07/03/21 – 291

**07/17/21 – 452

**07/20/21 – STARTED 2 PUMPS/DAY

**07/29/21 – 294

NOTE: Last Number is only 9 days after starting 2 pumps a day.

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I can take bloodwork every 2 weeks and raise the amount of pumps as I need without doctors approval (he lets me bump up on my own, due to me researching on my own)

Would it be beneficial to get an injection once every 2 weeks on top of the gel later if needed? Or can someone please tell me there is hope in Gel?

Also is taking showers important? I have broken the 2 pumps into 1 in morning and 1 in night.

Most days I take shower before the night dosage, and sometimes I skip shower all day and just use a hot warm towel to clean the area before application, is Soap needed or should the warm towel mimic what a shower does? I just started the towel thing (no soap) ONLY after starting 2 pumps.

I have an appointment with him tomorrow, anything you recommend I should discuss with him, apart from starting injections too early?

I would rather stick through Gel and take longer to get to optimum then switch to injections in only 4-5 weeks.

So I appreciate the advice about going the injection route but I would rather tough it out and push to stay on gel for now so Gel related insight would be much much appreciated though I know injections are the best method long term.

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Everyone is different so there is no optum number but on transdermals you can test in two weeks and you'll see where you're at…it won't change much after that unless you change dosage amount.

Hypothetical.. if Gel ultimately doesn't work out would you consider scrotal cream? That is an excellent TRT technique that avoids injections.

"Would it be beneficial to get an injection once every 2 weeks on top of the gel later if needed? " No. There is no reason to mix the two delivery techniques. If you start injecting then ditch the gel entirely.

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